tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post1914028615456851432..comments2024-02-10T08:35:39.336-05:00Comments on Telling Secrets: Herstory IV: The Spirit of God that Dwells.Elizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-10965665179689550462009-06-12T13:38:45.713-04:002009-06-12T13:38:45.713-04:00It was Jewish feminists who first started using Sh...It was Jewish feminists who first started using <i>Shekhinah</i>, retrieving the word from Jewish mystical tradition, where it had been in use for centuries as a word for the presence of G*d.<br /><br />A few quick contemporary Jewish resources on <i>Shekhinah</i> <a href="http://telshemesh.org/shekhinah/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://velveteenrabbi.blogs.com/blog/2008/03/this-weeks-port.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. <br /><br />For ritual songs often using <i>Shekinah</i> and <i>Ruach</i>, go to the website <a href="http://www.ritualwell.org/" rel="nofollow">Ritual Well</a> and poke around. It is a great source for Jewish Renewal and Jewish feminist resources for worship and celebration. There are links to MP3 sound versions so you can see what the texts sound like, from simple one-sentence blessing over the bread in both traditional male and new female language (in Hebrew, with an inclusive translation on the web page and a link to both tunes) to contemporary composed songs.Jane Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13814517077774999407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-10878999382034267992009-06-09T17:49:45.616-04:002009-06-09T17:49:45.616-04:00Bill-
I would say that (the posable) Borg has it ...Bill-<br /><br />I would say that (the posable) Borg has it wrong. The concept of the Logos was a well established part of the Neoplatonic and Stoic philosophies of the day that made it correspond better to the concept of "Ruach" than "Sophia" would have at the outset.<br /><br />"In the begining was Wisdom" would not have had the same cultural and intellectual resonance in Greek as "In the beginning was the Word."Frair Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03855036304956508405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-53805077569058887832009-06-09T17:30:17.737-04:002009-06-09T17:30:17.737-04:00Dah*veed
Not exactly what I mean.
"Orthodoxy...Dah*veed<br /><br />Not exactly what I mean.<br />"Orthodoxy" is a very broad concept, properly understood, with several different languages and ways in. Some are more mainstream than others in that it is familiar/comfortable to most peoples understandings.Frair Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03855036304956508405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-42331081945084032472009-06-09T15:51:37.643-04:002009-06-09T15:51:37.643-04:00A few people have been a bit disappointed that the...<i>A few people have been a bit disappointed that there's no stake being prepped for them.</i><br />Some folks over the top reaction to Bishop Spong sort of made being declared heretic a badge of honor!<br /><br /><i>to hold an unusual belief or view of an idea that isn't quite inside the <b>(current)</b> mainstream.</i><br />So Orthodoxy is a little slip slidey and can change over time?<br /><br />The pidgeon is just the symbol, not the thing.Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-39635908553574456402009-06-09T08:58:13.425-04:002009-06-09T08:58:13.425-04:00Frair John said...
"The Ruach that dances a...Frair John said... <br /><br />"The Ruach that dances at creation is translated into Greek as Sophia and more than a few of the (overly maligned) Greek Fathers, upon reflection grounded in the uses of the words, put it that the Sophia of God found in Ecclesiasties was the Logos found in John. "<br /><br />I read recently somewhere (possibly in one of Marcus Borg's books) that the only reason the Greeks used Logos was because it was a masculine pronoun vs Sophia which is feminine. The choice of translations may have been nothing more than having a patriarchal society flex their muscles.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05623709712119761741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-30754701760681659332009-06-08T17:14:56.246-04:002009-06-08T17:14:56.246-04:00Orthodoxy, properly understood, is pretty damned b...Orthodoxy, properly understood, is pretty damned broad. It is an embracing of Mystery and paradox (the Trinity and the Incarnation are paradoxical to say the least). "Heresy" is when we reject the mystery and replace it with something far more palatable. Or we so over simplify or focus on one little bit, we distort the entirety of the Mystery. Sound familiar?<br /><br />(Heterodoxy, at least as I and a few others use it, is to not be a holder of a heresy per se, but rather to hold an unusual belief or view of an idea that isn't quite inside the (current) mainstream.)<br /><br />One of the most rewarding things I get to do as an EFM mentor is to listen to a member of the seminar articulate their personal theology. Often times they seem to fear that some deeply held belief is some how heretical. When I say that, no it's not, it's just a shade out of the current main stream and show them stuff that resonates with them it's so much fun. (A few people have been a bit disappointed that there's no stake being prepped for them. )<br /><br />I then get to do my "Heresy is a denial of Mystery" talk that I polished up in Seminary. One of the few times I get to use this fancy (and expensive) education.Frair Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03855036304956508405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-48016814049584430742009-06-08T14:55:46.269-04:002009-06-08T14:55:46.269-04:00Friar - thanks for that one nit that you picked. ...Friar - thanks for that one nit that you picked. I always love learning what the 'true orthodox' have to say about matters of faith. Works for me, even though it is not the 'official' position of TEC or the Anglican communion, which is waaayy to 'feminine' for them. <br /><br />Interestingly enough, I never feel judged or ridiculed by it. It's just what they believe. So unlike the so-called orthodox in our own church, eh?Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-29661158840164832392009-06-08T14:55:28.692-04:002009-06-08T14:55:28.692-04:00Thanks, Dah.veed, but, you know, I'm never re...Thanks, Dah.veed, but, you know, I'm never ready for Shakenah. She's quite a trickster, that oneElizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-7742261110291914892009-06-08T14:54:35.438-04:002009-06-08T14:54:35.438-04:00Friar - thanks for that one nit that you picked. ...Friar - thanks for that one nit that you picked. I always love learning what the 'true orthodox' have to say about matters of faith. Works for me, even though it is not the 'official' position of TEC or the Anglican communion, which is waaayy to 'feminine' for them. <br /><br />Interestingly enough, I never feel judged or ridiculed by it. It's just what they believe. So unlike the so-called orthodox in our own church, eh?Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-48470733443753762122009-06-08T11:37:19.353-04:002009-06-08T11:37:19.353-04:00There is no more to add at this time. May all be r...There is no more to add at this time. May all be ready in the path in which She leads.<br /><br />Amen, and Amen!Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-65416972516978993702009-06-08T10:29:02.483-04:002009-06-08T10:29:02.483-04:00Very cool essay, I just have one nit to pick.
The...Very cool essay, I just have one nit to pick.<br /><br />The Ruach that dances at creation is translated into Greek as Sophia and more than a few of the (overly maligned) Greek Fathers, upon reflection grounded in the uses of the words, put it that the Sophia of God found in Ecclesiasties was the Logos found in John. Where the ancient Hebrews used the concept of God's Wisdom, the Greeks spoke of the reason and wisdom that underlay all things, wich they called the Logos. Ruach is the Second Person of the Trinity under that schema. <br /><br />The Shekinah is most definatly the Spirit, and works far better for the third person than that silly bird we keep seeing. It also helps avoid the "residue" idea that an over solidifying of Agustine's metaphoric Love constrruction.Frair Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03855036304956508405noreply@blogger.com