tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post3107168257794270280..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: Diversity and InclusionElizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-13887322437386330612012-12-09T09:46:46.591-05:002012-12-09T09:46:46.591-05:00Turnip Ghost - I don't know the accuracy of yo...Turnip Ghost - I don't know the accuracy of your figure but, actually, it does prove my point. We have been making progress over the years but I think the "attitude" of "diversity" and "inclusion" is, in many places, inauthentic. And, people know it. Which is why we haven't made the progress some of us would like to see. Hence, the reason for this post.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-9496181306207548392012-12-08T23:23:37.056-05:002012-12-08T23:23:37.056-05:00You don't believe your own words. Your church... You don't believe your own words. Your church is barely 4% non-White, even after forty years of "Diversity Outreach" and "Multicultural Resource Centers".<br /> Either your programs are unbelievably bad or you're not really serious.<br /> And don't even get started on your private schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-23022570655654007092012-12-01T18:25:30.154-05:002012-12-01T18:25:30.154-05:00Genette - I couldn't agree with you more. I am...Genette - I couldn't agree with you more. I am constantly amazed by the number of people who live here in LSD who have, perhaps, ventured to Philly and considered that a major adventure. Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-59338081533060368862012-12-01T18:24:12.679-05:002012-12-01T18:24:12.679-05:00Matthew - I think the best thing I can say about t...Matthew - I think the best thing I can say about that little "mission" of the Bishop of RI is to say nothing at all.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-13144270069274996882012-12-01T18:23:14.163-05:002012-12-01T18:23:14.163-05:00Matthew - I once gave into a Macy's saleswoman...Matthew - I once gave into a Macy's saleswoman to fill out a Macy's card. I dutifully filled out the application, which was immediately declined. She just looked at the application and told me it wouldn't be approved. All she had was my address and info on the credit card I was going to use. I lived in E. Orange, NJ (population >2% White). Gee, do you think that might have had anything to do with it? PS - She did accept my credit card. Go figure.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-27591293568208560322012-12-01T14:59:14.083-05:002012-12-01T14:59:14.083-05:00There are many, many pockets of insularity in the ...There are many, many pockets of insularity in the world - places where one can go a whole life and never meet anyone significantly different than one's own self. It is for this reason that I have always thought that everyone, without exception, ought to be required to spend the years 18-20 doing "citizenship service", at a living wage, in a place far from their own homes - cleaning up wrecked neighborhoods, running soup kitchens, building Habitat houses, with Vista or the Peace Corp or in the national parks - each assignment appropriate to individual skills and/or physical limitations, but serving among people one might otherwise never meet (and NO cushy desk jobs or PR gigs that don't require actual labor) ... this would be good for the country in many ways, but particularly for educating everyone in the real meaning of "different is different - not better or worse, just different ... vive la difference!" Experience is the thing that really breaks through assumptions and myth and privilege. Genettenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-70563957169544413202012-12-01T13:28:34.730-05:002012-12-01T13:28:34.730-05:00Addendum: bishop Wolfe of RI actually decided to ...Addendum: bishop Wolfe of RI actually decided to live as a homeless person for a month and changed her appearance. She visited some of her own churches and the reaction was not always positive. I loved this quote of hers about her incognito visits to episcopal churches: "moments filled with grace and moments of deep disappointment.". <br />http://archive.episcopalchurch.org/3577_19835_ENG_HTM.htm<br /><br />Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16855171851801011788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-69587994799554341372012-12-01T13:21:15.273-05:002012-12-01T13:21:15.273-05:00I think it was 20/20 or primetime live a number of...I think it was 20/20 or primetime live a number of years ago that used hidden cameras and actors, one white, one black to walk into various retail establishments - a pharmacy' a clothing store, a diner, a jewelry counter, a bank and have them ask the same questions. The disparate responses was shocking and startling to some. They then did the same experiment using a man and a woman to similar results. Many white men do not understand how much privilege is bestowed upon them because they've never lived another reality, or bothered to listen to the experiences of others. I've often wanted to conduct the same experiment with hidden cameras on various visitors to churches and track the reaction. Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16855171851801011788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-34045931406327319012012-11-30T21:06:01.224-05:002012-11-30T21:06:01.224-05:00JCF - you can't make up half the stuff that ha...JCF - you can't make up half the stuff that happens in the institutional church.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-37640609026492340122012-11-30T20:08:32.070-05:002012-11-30T20:08:32.070-05:00I've been amazed, as a result of the failure b...I've been amazed, as a result of the failure by the CofE General Synod to approve a (VERY generous to opponents) measure to ordain women as bishops, the number of WB opponents declaring, "See! You WB supporters aren't tolerant! You don't want diversity!"<br /><br />Unbelievable.JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-91661089151878004292012-11-30T17:10:20.889-05:002012-11-30T17:10:20.889-05:00Yes, SCG. It can get so annoying when someone isn&...Yes, SCG. It can get so annoying when someone isn't in the place where you are - especially when there's unexamined privilege. Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-67322376266275750412012-11-30T17:07:05.198-05:002012-11-30T17:07:05.198-05:00Thanks for this! I sometimes think that "div...Thanks for this! I sometimes think that "diversity" and "inclusive" are understood in the same annoying way "interfaith" seems to mean, "We have Baptists, Episcopalians and Catholics participating in this service." Bonus points are expected if you invite Jews. But every ounce of my patience was tested when I had Episcopal priests balking at participating in a Pride "interfaith" service because there would be pagans present. <br /><br />Where do you begin? I guess, where you are. SCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08162762233972733978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-50396349213424862042012-11-30T14:33:45.103-05:002012-11-30T14:33:45.103-05:00Or, like the woman at GC who came up to me, in tea...Or, like the woman at GC who came up to me, in tears, and said, "I can't believe we're now calling heterosexuality a sin." Confused, I asked her whatever she meant. She understood "heterosexism" to mean that heterosexuality was a sin. <br /><br />I didn't know where to begin.<br /><br />Or, this comment left on my FB page from a "clueless Texan" concerning my post on the 19 straight white GOP men in leadership positions in the House who said "it was just seniority": <br /><br />"I'm not suggesting anything other than people are chosen for seniority not as tokens of a gender or race. Democrats are the ones who constantly play the race and gender card. Not all women or all Hispanics or all mixed race folks think or vote alike. To require or expect diversity only by gender or race is as racist as limited slots to people of a specific gender or race."<br /><br />A commitment to diversity and parity in membership and leadership is now an example of "Play the race card"? <br /><br />Where does one begin?Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-43107480806681078932012-11-30T13:47:41.004-05:002012-11-30T13:47:41.004-05:00How about this one, as an example of that clueless...How about this one, as an example of that clueless privilege: "Can we celebrate straight marriage for a change?" <br /><br />Where does one begin?IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.com