tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post3150461784692691978..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: Misogyny: Hard to spell, easy to practiceElizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-82536759292954931922008-05-22T09:36:00.000-04:002008-05-22T09:36:00.000-04:00I'm not gonna miss the whole damned campain. The c...I'm not gonna miss the whole damned campain. The class/gender/race/age stuff has been frustrating beyond words.<BR/><BR/>When I was taking a class on Femenist theology, one of the things I noticed was how conversations tended to break down along lines in class. European, middle class, heterosexual women tended to have very particular ideas. When, say, an African American woman, spoke from a different place or a lesbian had a different perspective these were reativised to the "default" position of the others. The comments from a woman raised in a decidedly middle class background were allways relegated to a lesser place. Lets not even go to where a Gay man's opinions were dumped.<BR/><BR/>The reason why I brought this up is that I don't think we can deal with any form of prejudice, without nameing and wrestling with all of them at the same time.Frair Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03855036304956508405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-29737100281369595532008-05-21T21:31:00.000-04:002008-05-21T21:31:00.000-04:00Then there is this from Sen. Obama's speech yester...Then there is this from Sen. Obama's <A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/primary_rdp" REL="nofollow">speech yesterday</A>: Senator Clinton "has shattered myths and broken barriers and changed the America in which my daughters and your daughters will come of age, and for that we are grateful to her."Paul (A.)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07543357437252555101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-74994309227774330982008-05-21T18:43:00.000-04:002008-05-21T18:43:00.000-04:00Agreed; I won't miss any of this either. As long a...Agreed; I won't miss any of this either. <BR/><BR/>As long as we're on the subject, though, I also won't miss hearing Hillary talk about how we shouldn't nominate a candidate because he's not getting support among "hard working Americans, white Americans", Bill talk about how Jesse Jackson won South Carolina, too, Geraldine talk about how Obama is fortunate to be black (thanks, Geraldine, for destroying the fond memories), and Hillary bring up Rev. Wright every day for a month.PatrickBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07301138541560512292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-88979557543459320702008-05-21T18:13:00.000-04:002008-05-21T18:13:00.000-04:00I've been a feminist since I was old enough to rea...I've been a feminist since I was old enough to read the word (c. age 9, 1971?). "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people". Well, I was female, and that was my expected future, so sign me up! It seemed entirely consistent w/ what another great liberator of the times had said: where one would be judged ONLY for "the content of their character."<BR/><BR/>And yet NOW, it seems like "feminism" has come to mean "OVERLOOK the flaws in <B>one</B> woman's character---policies, votes, rhetoric, etc---simply BECAUSE she's a woman"!<BR/><BR/>If feminism has now become merely a "My Hillary, My Self" <I>projection</I> . . . then I'm turning in my card. After all these years. {Sigh}Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-50914457865309294292008-05-21T06:08:00.000-04:002008-05-21T06:08:00.000-04:00Huh. Well, as a feminist, but more because I have...Huh. Well, as a feminist, but more because I have eyes, it's clear to me that Bill Clinton would not have gotten where he is without Hillary. She's smarter than he is, took the heat for him on his own Health Care Fiasco, and stood on high moral ground when he was in the midst of a scandal. She was his ticket into the White House, his ticket to stay in the White House and his ticket back into the White House.<BR/><BR/>She may not win the nomination, but she has paved the way for Bill Clinton's legacy as well as for the next woman who will be nominated and elected POTUS.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-7156884546952381292008-05-20T21:53:00.000-04:002008-05-20T21:53:00.000-04:00The true irony is that Hillary is failing because ...The true irony is that Hillary is failing because she tied her future to a man.<BR/> Her biggest claim to fame is that she is married to a popular former President.<BR/> That particular fact is so contradictory to the feminist message that it begs the question why any feminist ever stood by her.<BR/> Remember her "Stand by Her Man" posture during a time when Bill was playing sexual harassment with an intern in the White House.<BR/> The truth is Hillary would never have been the U.S. Senator from New York if she hadn't ridden the coattails of her popular husband into Congress.<BR/> The number one item on her resume is: I was married to Bill Clinton. That's a reason to pity her, not vote for her.<BR/> All three candidates are judged and mocked on characteristics over which they have no control: Race, gender and age.<BR/> As she herself said, if you can't stand the heat...." (Actually it was another great President who said that.)<BR/> I will vote for Obama because he can't do any worse than the other two and maybe he will do better.Jim of L-Townhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03941398804273985677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-45773336458580883132008-05-20T18:50:00.000-04:002008-05-20T18:50:00.000-04:00Doug - the last paragraph reads: "There are many ...Doug - the last paragraph reads: <BR/><BR/>"There are many reasons Clinton is losing the nomination contest, some having to do with her strategic mistakes, others with the groundswell for "change." But for all Clinton's political blemishes, the darker stain that has been exposed is the hatred of women that is accepted as a part of our culture."Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-81719207876659335562008-05-20T18:37:00.000-04:002008-05-20T18:37:00.000-04:00Sorry, Doug. You missed "the whole point" of the ...Sorry, Doug. You missed "the whole point" of the article. It was not about Hillary losing (and, she hasn't lost YET), it's about misogyny. Oh, and what some of us won't miss.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-57787674838407424892008-05-20T16:42:00.000-04:002008-05-20T16:42:00.000-04:00Sorry, but I beg to disagree with the entire artic...Sorry, but I beg to disagree with the entire article. Hillary lost because she did not run as good a campaingn as Obama. Period. Last year, it was assumed that she would have her coronation in 2008. However, Obama essentially moved to Iowa & campaigned there all winter, as his staff sought out supporters throughout the country. When she did not capture the nomination after 'Super Tuesday," as her campaign has assumed, Obama won eleven (11) straight contests, as her campaign had not done advance planning after super Tuesday.<BR/>Imagine if this situation were reversed: if she now had >50% of the elected delegates. Would Obama supporters be playing the 'race' card? <BR/>Here is a current artilce dealing with this issue in more detail:<BR/>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gary-cohan/hillarys-sexist-end-game_b_102671.htmldoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15855745903966147404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-20470779159848712452008-05-20T12:56:00.000-04:002008-05-20T12:56:00.000-04:00It is powerful--but then again, are we surprised. ...It is powerful--but then again, are we surprised. Women may have "come a long way, baby," but it is clear that we ain't there yet!Muthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-51560450805289327852008-05-20T10:47:00.000-04:002008-05-20T10:47:00.000-04:00Wow - that is a powerful piece...and so true....si...Wow - that is a powerful piece...and so true....sigh....ROBERTAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09130103117335080071noreply@blogger.com