tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post4185656954189457488..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: Go, Sisters!Elizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-80143590394335136882012-08-20T13:05:10.450-04:002012-08-20T13:05:10.450-04:00I also don't make any excuses for sexual abuse...I also don't make any excuses for sexual abuse and I agree with your colleagues: You are a troglodyte. Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-31367084118958285292012-08-20T00:47:23.138-04:002012-08-20T00:47:23.138-04:00If I didn't know your part in founding SNAP, i...If I didn't know your part in founding SNAP, it hasn't nothing to do with my "masculine privilege" and all about an apparently misleading ABOUT US page at SNAP. You are nowhere mentioned.<br /><br />"No, the LCWR has not done what SNAP wants them to do." That's a bit of an understatement. The larger problem is that LCWR won't push its member orders to do as much as the dioceses and male religous orders now do under the Dallas Charter. <br /><br />I've had some opportunity to minister to survivors of sexual abuse. Quite frankly, because of my limited counseling skills I make referrals to professional mental health workers, but that hasn't stopped my from walking along in faith with a couple people (one male, one female) concurrent with their professional counseling regimen. <br /><br />To answer your last paragraph, within my own presbyterate I'm seen as the troglodyte, the most strident voice for "one strike you're out" when it comes to grave sexual sins in the priesthood. Believe me, my online stidency isn't one-half of my intensity in real life. Apologetics on behalf of sexual perversion doesn't last long in my presence before it elicits a furious response.<br /><br />xxMichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-28630005357740010552012-08-18T09:19:06.960-04:002012-08-18T09:19:06.960-04:00Of course, you don't think I would know about ...Of course, you don't think I would know about SNAP. I'm just a woman. What would I know? For your information, I worked with several young men to establish SNAP - along with a few nuns. No, the LCWR has not done what SNAP wants them to do. To be honest, SNAP's demands are not unreasonable - if the institutional church were a reasonable organization. The truth is that they're not. If they were, we wouldn't have the situation we're in. So, the nuns do what they can do - still taking enormous risks, even though some of their actions are, admittedly, not enough. <br /><br />So, Michael, what have YOU done to expose the truth about pedophiles? Have you even ministered to someone who has been abused? Instead of sitting around throwing stones at women who have no institutional power or authority, why not use your male privilege and power to do something? Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-88274701594589630532012-08-18T02:19:06.459-04:002012-08-18T02:19:06.459-04:00I gave you a link to SNAP- Survivor's Network...I gave you a link to SNAP- Survivor's Network of those Abused by Priests-- and their grievances against the LCWR. You can also read on the front page of the Bishop of Kansas City who is in deep trouble for his lackadaisical approach to priest sexual abuse. I personally know victims of women religious who have gotten nowhere with the orders. No rumormongering here, just a profound hatred of the sexual abuse of children and the coverup of the same.<br /><br />xxMichael<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-25929663903100814762012-08-17T19:38:10.936-04:002012-08-17T19:38:10.936-04:00Michael - you know darn well that's not what I...Michael - you know darn well that's not what I meant. Unless you can substantiate your claims against the Sisters, what you are saying is just gossip. I won't be printing slanderous gossip about them. <br /><br />Grow up, Michael. And learn to respect women. Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-68544592509832838212012-08-17T17:41:34.623-04:002012-08-17T17:41:34.623-04:00"Beneath the radar."
Yeah, that's t..."Beneath the radar."<br /><br />Yeah, that's the excuse the bishops of old gave when hustling away a pervert priest: "We'll move him away where he can't hurt anybody."<br /><br />Well, the RC dioceses and male religious orders of the US can no longer play that game-- or suffer when they try to (cf Kansas City)-- but the women's religious orders still, as a group, do not adhere to the Dallas Charter and many of the Catholic faithful in the US have noticed.<br /><br />xxMichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-44837580767248032562012-08-16T19:48:39.372-04:002012-08-16T19:48:39.372-04:00Slow day at the office, Michael? "In the main...Slow day at the office, Michael? "In the main" the nuns have operated as they always have: beneath the radar. Since they are women, I don't expect you to notice.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-72885848918392747332012-08-16T16:40:07.060-04:002012-08-16T16:40:07.060-04:00"I believe that part of the discrimination fr..."I believe that part of the discrimination from the Vatican comes directly from the fact that, rather than enabling pedophiles, they helped to expose them."<br /><br />Oh really? While the American dioceses and male religious orders were pulled kicking and screaming into the realm of justice, LCWR has strenously opposed following the Dallas Charter.<br /><br />See http://www.snapnetwork.org/snap_will_try_to_hand_deliver_letter_to_head_of_nuns_group<br /><br />for details.<br /><br />Of course, there have been individual women religious who have been instrumental in taking down some perverts (in my neck of the woods, the infamous Bishop Ziemann of Santa Rosa). However, in the main the female religous orders have escaped law enforcement actions vis-a-vis the sexual abuse of minors.<br /><br />xxMichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-8213238321961060122012-08-13T14:19:19.396-04:002012-08-13T14:19:19.396-04:00Turnip ghost ~ Well, you are entitled to your own ...Turnip ghost ~ Well, you are entitled to your own opinion ~ one which I obviously don't share. I believe that part of the discrimination from the Vatican comes directly from the fact that, rather than enabling pedophiles, they helped to expose them. And, speaking of predjuice, aren't you being ageist? God always works through the most unlikely in our midst. Just spend some time reading scripture instead of stewing in your own venom. Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-43905466830146809292012-08-13T14:14:14.841-04:002012-08-13T14:14:14.841-04:00Maria ~ I am the priest I am today because of the ...Maria ~ I am the priest I am today because of the teaching and role modeling of these women. Brava!Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-10539698154694525192012-08-12T16:08:48.136-04:002012-08-12T16:08:48.136-04:00In 10-15 years most of these nuns will be too old ...In 10-15 years most of these nuns will be too old to do much except ask for more stewed prunes.<br /> Why the bishops are bothering with the bad publicity is beyond me but it's par for the course for pedophile enablers.<br /> I've seen pictures of the nuns-odd that for a group which claims to "celebrate our church's diversity" they've managed to remain over 98% White.<br /> Considering that they want "to represent the future of our church", you've got to think that their church's future is around 1880.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-67206817732386047292012-08-11T20:07:06.954-04:002012-08-11T20:07:06.954-04:00I have been watching and waiting to see the siste...I have been watching and waiting to see the sisters response too. I am so proud of them. Always my heros . Go sisters!<br />Given the times of the protests in my area I have been unable to go and support them in person. But they definitely have my support.<br />MariaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com