tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post4624523197237845392..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: How long, O Lord, how long?Elizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-65377487986379299622007-02-25T22:15:00.000-05:002007-02-25T22:15:00.000-05:00Obviously much of the Church leadership will never...Obviously much of the Church leadership will never take responsibility which leaves it up to the people to be responsible for bringing about the much needed changes.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05623709712119761741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-42214841824882786982007-02-25T17:30:00.000-05:002007-02-25T17:30:00.000-05:00Deborah Sproule, I'm not sure I understand your qu...Deborah Sproule, I'm not sure I understand your question to me. I think that since you probably haven't had a chance to know me, you probably weren't unable to understand my rather cryptic message. So let me try to explain myself. In doing so, I may answer your question. <BR/><BR/>First, please take note that the first bit of my post was within quotes, a repetition of the part of Elizabeth's post I was responding to specifically. The references to "standards" was from Elizabeth's post. <BR/><BR/>At the time I wrote it I was very discouraged by what I'd been reading on a liberal and supposedly pro-inclusion Episcopal blog. It had become clear to me that the majority of the people there are not willing to do anything behond give lip service to the cause of justice. Sadly, they have no intention of sharing the "fast" or doing anything else that would make a strong statment in favor of bringing the justice of Jesus into the Episcopal Church and the WAC. <BR/><BR/>They all think it's just fine to throw the hot potato to another generation and don't seem to have any problem with another of the church's great sins of the past, its inadequate response to the problem of slavery. They see nothing wrong with delaying justice now because apparently they think it's some sort of church tradition to delay justice. <BR/><BR/>And that's where my reference to the television commercial came in. Do you remember it? Three children were presented with a new breakfast cereal. The two older ones were afraid to try it. So they said "Let Mikey (the youngest) do it." <BR/><BR/>While straight liberals find the thought of themselves being inclusive rather appealing, I'm finding more and more that they stop at the self-congratulatory thoughts and are not willing to do anything or make even a small sacrifice to help bring it about. <BR/><BR/>I hope this makes sense to you now.Mike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-40464330540622277042007-02-25T14:16:00.000-05:002007-02-25T14:16:00.000-05:00Dear lag+, Your voice is heard. Fear not, see the...Dear lag+, <BR/>Your voice is heard. Fear not, see the Mothers modelling Christ's will for us in this conflict. <BR/>Mom Elizabeth 'let's' Mike in Texas spout "standards" of the church; according to Mike "damage" is done in doing the work of Jesus (meaning Jesus was inclusive, not a guard at the gate to God). Seriously, Mike I want to know the Bible source you lean on to fortify your stong back as it is turned against God's children. Love has a standard? Oiyyh! Lord forgive us. <BR/>See also our pB Mom Katharine stand tall and strong in her committment to live like Jesus. She does not stay away from The Table just because "undesirables" are present :( meaning those Mike-like guards at the door trying to keep God's children away from God's Table ): She walks the road of the cross which requires us to Love our Enemies (: Surely by now we have learned that one persons enemy is another persons saint?!? Ours is not to judge but to love. I will follow the Mothers, they are leading us in the right way to God through Christ. God's will is that we LOVE CREATION.Deborah Sproulehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01722982660416977832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-9261072629250916152007-02-24T21:56:00.000-05:002007-02-24T21:56:00.000-05:00Interesting that you mention seizure disorders. F...Interesting that you mention seizure disorders. For the past several years, I have (first with the help of my former church, now on my own) provided epilepsy medication for a small boy in Sierra Leone, West Africa. I met him on a mission trip to that country in 2004. He was adopted by the mission leader in S.L. <BR/><BR/>This boy had been cast out of his village because the villagers thought him to be possessed with demons. Certainly, not everyone in Sierra Leone feels this way about seizure disorders, but it shows what a long way we have to go in education and understanding between cultures.<BR/><BR/>So, if some folks in Africa still believe epilepsy to be demon possession, how long will it take to educate and inform about the lives of GLBT people? I love the people I met there, and I am committed to continuing to help them, but they did not know I am a lesbian. I like to hope that, if they did know, nothing would change between us.Suzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03529580138314011952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-2165511913349094642007-02-24T18:01:00.000-05:002007-02-24T18:01:00.000-05:00But did we really expect anything else from a rigg...But did we really expect anything else from a rigged meeting that was set-up from the get go to be more gay bashing? That ++Katharine has set her name to it when it was her option not to disturbs me more that I want to say. That ++Andrew of Canada was disturbed by the communique says much more than ++Katharine has said. Granted I feel poleaxed, but that isn't going to stop me from speaking out!<BR/><BR/>LaurenMuthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-82954866742819058112007-02-24T11:40:00.000-05:002007-02-24T11:40:00.000-05:00My dear Elizabeth, "Who will take responsibility f...My dear Elizabeth, "Who will take responsibility for the damage that is done while a deficient standard is upheld and promulgated in the church?"<BR/><BR/>The growing sentiment I've been reading elsewhere can be summed up by the words of a popular television commercial from a number of years back. <BR/><BR/>"Let Mikey do it."Mike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.com