tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post4752061374247129523..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: Call no man 'Father'Elizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-56668939980432916982017-11-05T21:02:40.447-05:002017-11-05T21:02:40.447-05:00Well said, 8thday. Well said. Well said, 8thday. Well said. Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-44982275221221892252017-11-05T20:46:16.548-05:002017-11-05T20:46:16.548-05:00I guess that's what happens when you leave it ...I guess that's what happens when you leave it to a group of men : )8thdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17139355263412766126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-85274235014807706132017-11-05T17:00:09.277-05:002017-11-05T17:00:09.277-05:00I take some comfort in the fact that Jesus didn...I take some comfort in the fact that Jesus didn't establish the church; his disciples did. <br />Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-87727767671954906012017-11-05T16:58:30.349-05:002017-11-05T16:58:30.349-05:00One of the reasons I walked away from organized re...One of the reasons I walked away from organized religion is that I could no longer reconcile the spiritual, humble vision of religion that the gospel offered me and the political/money/ego-centric beaucracy of today's religious institutions. I find this particularly true of the Catholic and Episcopal churches with all their titles and hierarchy. I wonder if Jesus would even recognize his church.8thdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17139355263412766126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-47920264005806956142017-11-03T21:08:04.475-04:002017-11-03T21:08:04.475-04:00You are grammatically correct. I've had letter...You are grammatically correct. I've had letters addressed to "the Rev Dr. Elizabeth Kaeton" and then the salutation is Dear Pastor Kaeton or Dear Dr. Kaeton. Works for me. So does Priest. Awkward. It'll take some time to get used to it. That's not the problem. The problem is the (mostly) men and (some) women who absolutely refuse to give up the title Father/Mother.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-44924906996409685432017-11-03T20:00:00.154-04:002017-11-03T20:00:00.154-04:00I’m find with the baptismal name, but sometimes a ...I’m find with the baptismal name, but sometimes a title is necessary. A major problem is addressing a letter, particularly to a priest you don’t know. You can’t write “Dear The Rev. So-and-So:” “Dear Priest So-and-So:” works fine.Lionel Deimelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363018512775944659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-57145370516754050322017-11-03T19:16:09.921-04:002017-11-03T19:16:09.921-04:00I've often said that very thing. It's amaz...I've often said that very thing. It's amazing to me how many clergy hold onto that title - especially men. Single men. Of all colors. Low and high Anglicans. So, some women dig their heels in and insist on Mother. I have the hardest time convincing them that it's a false equivalency.<br /><br />I'm okay with "priest". It IS awkward. It's better than Father/Mother. But, if we do that, why not a title for the laity? "Baptized Lionel.". Then, we'll all have titles. Sounds fair to me.<br /><br />My first choice? My baptismal name. Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-2891252594484871372017-11-03T17:27:28.458-04:002017-11-03T17:27:28.458-04:00Whenever this issue arises, I mention the comment ...Whenever this issue arises, I mention the comment made by a female priest I know: “Where I come from, ‘mother’ is only half a word.”<br /><br />The clear solution is to use “Priest.” We often address deacons using their office: Deacon Jones or Deacon Jane. “Priest Elizabeth” may sound odd at first, but everyone will get used to it. The language changes by means of the way we use it. Lionel Deimelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363018512775944659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-29979539046117664412017-11-03T15:14:05.010-04:002017-11-03T15:14:05.010-04:00Yes, Clark. I mention that in my post. As I said, ...Yes, Clark. I mention that in my post. As I said, when parents ask what their children should call me to show respect, I "split the difference" and have them call me "Reverand Elizabeth". That said, unless it is a situation demanding formality, I prefer we all call each other by our baptismal names. If a parishioner is introducing me to a visitor or friend, I prefer "And, this is my priest, Elizabeth Kaeton." If I'm in a situation demanding formality, I introduce myself as "the Rev Dr. . . ." If then asked "What shall I call you, I deflect to Dr. It amazes me how often men will call me "Rev Kaeton." Which, of course, is grammatically incorrect. But, it's really all they can handle. LOL. Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-52976028913562744072017-11-03T13:55:30.452-04:002017-11-03T13:55:30.452-04:00The problem is, the Protestant “Reverend” is gramm...The problem is, the Protestant “Reverend” is grammatically incorrect. So what’s a layman to do?��Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17978089787661072228noreply@blogger.com