tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post5219071097267209117..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: "May you live in interesting times"Elizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-71708304724571425992009-07-28T11:38:17.597-04:002009-07-28T11:38:17.597-04:00I apologize if I seemed a bit annoyed on my post. ...I apologize if I seemed a bit annoyed on my post. Like I stated last night, my new job starts soon; I will be teaching high-school students advanced algebra and pre-calculus. To date, I've only taught the lower rung math to kids who "had to be there". I'm scrambling and just read your comment about post shots last night.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02634182397685169630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-17372415204925866912009-07-28T07:26:05.709-04:002009-07-28T07:26:05.709-04:00Congratulations, John. I'm so pleased for you...Congratulations, John. I'm so pleased for you. Well doneElizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-45742579078940314002009-07-28T02:04:47.270-04:002009-07-28T02:04:47.270-04:00"Try to keep up, John. Or, is it more excitin..."Try to keep up, John. Or, is it more exciting just to take post shots?"<br /><br />Thank you for bringing this to my attention.<br /><br />I apologize for not keeping up. I have been out of work for two months and have been suffering from depression for almost three years. You'll have to bear with me. Good news; I just got a new job and will be starting August 10, so maybe I will be able to make up for all my "post shots" I've littered around the Web with posts that are followed up with sincere and complete follow-ups.<br /><br />I'm tying up a loose end here.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lZzp1u1PDQ" rel="nofollow">Submarine makes me feel better...</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02634182397685169630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-7131853007183217912009-07-12T18:48:46.569-04:002009-07-12T18:48:46.569-04:00Oh, Jeremy, stop. Please. TEC has held the same ...Oh, Jeremy, stop. Please. TEC has held the same position on reproductive rights and abortion for the past 30 years. Have you just recently noticed? Or is this just the 'rant of the day' for those who want a "Burger King" church and have things YOUR way, without any room for any other theological position or opinion.<br /><br />Our church polity is based firmly in democracy - which is how we still live - not a theocracy. If you want that, there are a couple of countries in the Middle East where you can go. <br /><br />Again - when you want to have a discussion, stop by. Anytime.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-91998790256798107252009-07-12T09:59:06.749-04:002009-07-12T09:59:06.749-04:00Abortion has everything to do with why many have l...Abortion has everything to do with why many have left or will leave in the near future. When the appeals to respect the dignity of every human being are so constantly made in respect of repeal of B033, I find it sobering that no one makes a connection with the sanctity of life in general. <br /><br />You may be correct in suggesting that I made the reference knowing your particular commitment to "reproductive rights," but it is still material to conservative motivations (about which your posters seem perplexed). <br /><br />I must confess that I see little evidence that you worry excessively about "tone" in your own posts. And imitation, as you know, is the sincerest form of flattery.Jeremy Bonnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915767119353670952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-1933854505299555532009-07-12T09:20:42.540-04:002009-07-12T09:20:42.540-04:00As my grandmother used to say to me, "You hav...As my grandmother used to say to me, "You have tone, young lady." "Jeremy, you have tone, sir."<br /><br />Reproductive Rights had nothing to do with the subject. It was an easy pot shot. The Dominatrix at SFiF would have pulled that comment off in a heart beat and with a very stern warning.<br /><br />So, I repeat my invitation: If you want to have a conversation, c'mon back. Any time. Just stay on topic and leave your snark over in the asbestos pits of the comment section of SFiF.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-19705017764224987162009-07-12T08:30:25.568-04:002009-07-12T08:30:25.568-04:00Elizabeth,
Do you mean that you wish people to ke...Elizabeth,<br /><br />Do you mean that you wish people to keep to the subject of the post? But it was yourself who raised the property question in your reply to me. <br /><br />I then offered a suggestion that I actually think has merit (if the majority is unwilling to contemplate an equitable division of assets). If that's not a part of the ongoing conversation, then you need to define the limits of this post more clearly. <br /><br />Some of your posters clearly feel that those departing are either frivolous or power-hungry (or both). My discussion with Jim Stockton felt like that. No matter how much I conceded his personal integrity on what he believed (even when I found some of it highly debatable) there was no reciprocity. No different from attitudes at Stand Firm really. <br /><br />I appreciate you posting my comments, however. <br /><br />This comment can be "for your eyes only" if you wish. I just wanted you to be clear as to my reasons for posting.Jeremy Bonnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915767119353670952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-36611306285557776672009-07-11T20:12:31.580-04:002009-07-11T20:12:31.580-04:00Jeremy, when you want to have a conversation, come...Jeremy, when you want to have a conversation, come on back.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-9845741440531695592009-07-11T14:37:20.211-04:002009-07-11T14:37:20.211-04:00Both ways, Elizabeth, both ways. Just as Episcopal...Both ways, Elizabeth, both ways. Just as Episcopal affiliation with the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice is insulting - and more than insulting - to me.<br /><br />On the property issue I'm agnostic. I think that keeping the legal option afloat may end up doing ACNA more harm than good, but not because I buy the Presiding Bishop's fiduciary responsibility argument. <br /><br />If your side were sensible they would have stuck to the formula that Frank Griswold (remember him) proposed of letting individual dioceses work out suitable arrangements and would not have tried to impose a blanket ban on disposing of property to former Episcopal congregations. Which is better off, today? The Diocese of Kansas, who got a significant cash infusion for selling Christ Church, Plano, or the Diocese of Virginia? <br /><br />And there's a certain arrogance in arguing you're entitled to the material assets of St. Stephen's, Sewickley (to give a Pittsburgh example), when most of them have been built up since 1971 under successive rectors whose whole approach and evangelistic style runs completely contrary to everything for which you stand. <br /><br />An ACNA member of our cathedral chapter (which you may recall serves both dioceses) made an interesting suggestion not so long ago. In the case of congregations that have withdrawn, let's mutually agree to sell the property and devote the proceeds to an agency like World Vision, with which none of us have any quarrel. That way there's no ACNA benefit and TEC can count it as part of their contribution to the MDGs. How about it? Better than spending money to pad the pockets of David Booth Beers (why is it that the Episcopal lawyers aren't working pro bono, anyway?).Jeremy Bonnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915767119353670952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-10555947110533781192009-07-11T12:29:40.241-04:002009-07-11T12:29:40.241-04:00Jeremy, I don't think any one of us is "r...Jeremy, I don't think any one of us is "reducing" this to a playground squabble. Unfortunately,that is a reflection of some of the reality - the 'word games' (reasserter/revisionist), the snarking<br />and the name-calling. The "I'm going to pick up my marbles and go to Africa or the Southern Cone rather than being at the table with you. Oh, and I'm going to keep all the property and you're going to have to spend lots of money to try and get it back. You will, I know that, but not without my causing a fuss on the playground and making you spend time and energy on me."<br /><br />It's insulting all around, isn't it?Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-10827048988301494952009-07-11T12:08:02.942-04:002009-07-11T12:08:02.942-04:00I think I make my affection for Kendall perfectly ...I think I make my affection for Kendall perfectly clear. This was also written a week or so before GC began. Try to keep up, John. Or, is it more exciting just to take post shots?Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-38975325143870974442009-07-11T11:46:30.245-04:002009-07-11T11:46:30.245-04:00Why don't you just e-mail kendall and ask for ...Why don't you just e-mail kendall and ask for the job description? Or is it more exciting just to make stuff up?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16478656699860202861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-60652741427613572382009-07-11T11:38:51.248-04:002009-07-11T11:38:51.248-04:00Hi John. I have no doubt that you are absolutely ...Hi John. I have no doubt that you are absolutely right.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-17005067985148329292009-07-11T11:36:46.223-04:002009-07-11T11:36:46.223-04:00Fr. Craig and WilliamK,
Isn't this state of a...Fr. Craig and WilliamK,<br /><br />Isn't this state of affairs precisely the one about which progressives like Jim Stockton - with whom I recently had an extended, if somewhat fruitless, conversation - have been complaining regarding The Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion? <br /><br />The national church complains that the Anglican Covenant is drafted by people who refuse to listen to their story and try to impose coercive mechanisms that will hamper their autonomy to proclaim Christ's Word. The dwindling body of Episcopal conservatives feel similarly towards the leadership of The Episcopal Church and proposed changes to the canons.<br /><br />I'm not sure why you need to reduce this to the level of a playground squabble. Your side feels passionately about its reading of Scripture; so does mine. The two positions - as currently expressed - are incompatible, but that doesn't eliminate the integrity of both parties or their sense of betrayal by the other side.Jeremy Bonnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915767119353670952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-65576245889897399432009-07-11T11:13:38.196-04:002009-07-11T11:13:38.196-04:00"I'm so tired of them blaming us for thei..."I'm so tired of them blaming us for their departure..."<br /><br />I am an outsider looking in. I am not Anglican, but this whole issue has captivated me. I think I have an idea why they blame you guys for their departure: They see TEC's acceptance of homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle as a sinking ship where eternal damnation is the consequence for staying in the boat.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02634182397685169630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-12834579407236709352009-06-26T17:18:31.695-04:002009-06-26T17:18:31.695-04:00'driven out of the church' Can anyone tell...<i>'driven out of the church' Can anyone tell me who drove them out? I'm so tired of them blaming us for their departure...</i><br /><br />Le'me see if I can explain.... It's like when I was nine years old, and I told all my friends on the playground that we had to play by MY RULES or I would go home! When my friends wouldn't go along with my demand, and I went home to sulk, that was ME being 'driven out of the plaground.' Does that help? ;-)WilliamKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14545955266846478775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-69198863855161690302009-06-26T09:31:20.757-04:002009-06-26T09:31:20.757-04:00'driven out of the church' Can anyone tel...'driven out of the church' Can anyone tell me who drove them out? I'm so tired of them blaming us for their departure...Fr Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04232925124388686609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-67035600864759246822009-06-25T21:37:29.168-04:002009-06-25T21:37:29.168-04:00For Delayed Release:
My friends it is with heavy ...For Delayed Release:<br /><br />My friends it is with heavy heart that I announce that in spite of my given word I am forced by those who don't recognize my direct pipeline to heaven to lead the diocese out of TEC to ACNA. I know there are those who will think an oath should mean something but God is directing me.<br /><br />;;sigh;;<br /><br />Anyone wanna bet?<br /><br />FWIW<br />jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-4218934642954860252009-06-25T21:05:11.115-04:002009-06-25T21:05:11.115-04:00A shot across the bow. I wondered about Kendall H...A shot across the bow. I wondered about Kendall Harmon's new title, too, but I didn't, for a minute, think that he was appointed to the position by the Archbishop of Canterbury.<br /><br />Perhaps his role is to coordinate with...nevermind.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-47307727245510253092009-06-25T18:50:11.968-04:002009-06-25T18:50:11.968-04:00SC case law is quite clear that "when a divis...SC case law is quite clear that "when a division occurs in a church, the congregation is answered by who is the representative of the church before it split", which is to say that property will continue to be owned by the pre-split denomination.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-74722634651769048742009-06-25T18:28:48.563-04:002009-06-25T18:28:48.563-04:00Oh, Caminante and Fr. Daniel, I think the title wa...Oh, Caminante and Fr. Daniel, I think the title was carefully designed to raise exactly that question and send people scurrying to try and find the answer. I think it was specifically designed to be misleading so as to raise doubts about where the Diocese of SC may be heading. To not see this - and Kendall's absence - as a 'warning' is to miss the point.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-20152050058433307092009-06-25T14:19:01.030-04:002009-06-25T14:19:01.030-04:00It took me some effort, but I discovered that the ...It took me some effort, but I discovered that the Anglican Communion Development Coordinator is not an employee of the Anglican Communion but of the Diocese of South Carolina. An interesting title and one that might be assumed to be misleading. I wonder how those who criticized the use of The Episcopal Church as a title will react to this one.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-41406553683330943982009-06-25T13:43:38.800-04:002009-06-25T13:43:38.800-04:00I just remember Kendall pacing the floor of the HO...I just remember Kendall pacing the floor of the HOD in Denver 2000, with six pack of Diet Coke in hand. Up and down the aisle, back and forth the back... it was a lot of walking and was a bit unnerving.<br /><br />So what is with the position he is assuming?Caminantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16610142955176992982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-70354112860729438142009-06-25T12:58:29.959-04:002009-06-25T12:58:29.959-04:00The Spirit blows where it wills...The Spirit blows where it wills...Muthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.com