tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post5295753694589870700..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: Archbishop Duncan?????Elizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-90078617934495562902008-12-05T08:06:00.000-05:002008-12-05T08:06:00.000-05:00but strangely relievedThere are no more shoes to d...<I>but strangely relieved</I><BR/><BR/>There are no more shoes to drop.<BR/><BR/>Now they are less and less our problem and are more and more thier own. We can now return our attention to the Gospel and to the every day life of the Church. <BR/><BR/>They are now wandering into their own wilderness and will now have to do somthing constructive. While it may take them a bit longer to shake off their need to attack, we can be sure that they will soon be trying to work out thier own messes. +Iker alone should make things interesting for them.Frair Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03855036304956508405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-26034157903505533162008-12-04T21:29:00.000-05:002008-12-04T21:29:00.000-05:00The Jesuits of the late sixteenth century, the pur...<I>The Jesuits of the late sixteenth century, the puritans and Scots of the seventeenth...would, I imagine, question the extent to which Anglicanism has "always been about making room at the table."<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>While I'm not in the least bit defending all the things done against the above named groups, there was that little business about them each trying to <I>sieze control of the English state</I> (by assistance of arms, if not active deployment), rick.<BR/><BR/>Not the best comparison to non-established churches in the USA and Canada in 2008, I suspect.JCFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14516376500318551838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-44099942201015318202008-12-04T19:04:00.000-05:002008-12-04T19:04:00.000-05:00Whether it's Augustinian or Donatism, it's still a...Whether it's Augustinian or Donatism, it's still all dreadful homophobia. These boys really don't care about anything else except stopping LGBT people and women from being bishops, b/c, of course, that limits the possibilities for their own. . . erm . . .vocational fulfillment. <BR/><BR/>I know I sound cynical. Right now, I am. And, sad, but strangely relieved.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-34928487856605677062008-12-04T12:49:00.000-05:002008-12-04T12:49:00.000-05:00I would argue (and have agrued) that there is no w...I would argue (and have agrued) that there is no way to call these people Agustinian.<BR/>These are morre like another Bishop of Hippo. In this case it is one with as a specious claim as +Duncan has to being the Episcopal bishop of Pitsburg: Donatus.Frair Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03855036304956508405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-69522228903470782132008-12-04T10:09:00.000-05:002008-12-04T10:09:00.000-05:00"Anglicanism has always been about making room at ..."Anglicanism has always been about making room at the table - not casting those who don't agree with you into the outer darkness."<BR/><BR/>I suppose it's a quibble, but I think there should probably be some distinction between present aspiration and history.<BR/><BR/>The Jesuits of the late sixteenth century, the puritans and Scots of the seventeenth, the followers of Wesley in the late eighteenth century, to take the most obvious examples, would, I imagine, question the extent to which Anglicanism has "always been about making room at the table."<BR/><BR/>Still, I can't help but think you are right that this conflict ultimately comes down to what "Anglicanism" will mean in the future. Whatever one thinks of the substance of "progressive" or "liberal" Christianity, it certainly proclaims a coherent and understandable message.<BR/><BR/>But this new group's conception of Anglicanism seems to lack any principle of unity, other than opposition to those they are leaving and adherence to standards that most Anglicans already profess to adhere to. It's hard to see why they won't go the way of prior Anglican schismatics long before haivng any hopes of getting the "imprimatur" from Canterbury they seek.<BR/><BR/>If I were asked to characterize the new group, I would call them Augustinians, at least insofar as they are African in origin, episcopal, and emphasize rather strict sexual standards and the importance of grace. <BR/><BR/>Please understand, I don't consider "Augustinian" a term of reproach, as many of our contemporaries would. But it represents to me a compelling conception of Christianity that nevertheless requires some serous balancing. And of course Augustine, I think, would have been more scandalized by schism than many of his intellectual descendants.rick allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07612435616018593956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-78912570605069968702008-12-04T09:36:00.000-05:002008-12-04T09:36:00.000-05:00The new province's constitution says the Archbisho...The new province's constitution says the Archbishop and Primate is to be elected by the "college of bishops". Yup, all six of them.<BR/><BR/>I wonder how long it will be before all those folks who followed them out will be knocking on the door to come back in.airedalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04058334807032017823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-44968577291562535492008-12-04T00:45:00.000-05:002008-12-04T00:45:00.000-05:00It was finished in 2003 when they first started th...It was finished in 2003 when they first started threatening via Geoffrey Chapman. I said it then; I'll say it now. I'll call it "schism", because I think it is, and always has been. It's time for TEC to get on with business. Stop the accomodating; stop the Neville Chamberlain routine. They've never wanted reconciliation - from the time they were Southern Baptists up until now. I've watched this unfold locally for 25 years. It's time for TEC to stand up and say what we believe about Jesus and Gospel. (I'm so energized that I'm afraid this will sound odd. So be it.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com