tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post5444194869026882198..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: Making the Gospel ConnectionElizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-53368285702362390322011-06-29T12:34:24.493-04:002011-06-29T12:34:24.493-04:00Yes, that was my question. My former rector said ...Yes, that was my question. My former rector said he thought that some elements of the current lectionary go back to the 1600s prayer book. I was curious if it went back even further. Wondering if we knew at what point, churches were all focusing on the same readings at the same time...just curious, that's all. Thanks.RENZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981050766307343246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-564205975018420852011-06-27T08:38:23.971-04:002011-06-27T08:38:23.971-04:00Thanks, Roberta. If I helped but one person hear t...Thanks, Roberta. If I helped but one person hear the scriptures more deeply and look for the stories within the stories and fired religious imagination.... well.... a preacher couldn't ask for more.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-23762995710306251042011-06-27T01:05:19.586-04:002011-06-27T01:05:19.586-04:00Thank you for expanding my understanding of this d...Thank you for expanding my understanding of this disturbing story. Now I'm imagining what Isaac's life was like after this incident and how actions have consequences - for the entire family. I like how you brought these 3 strands of readings together for this breathes new spirit-filled life into stale and overly familiar story telling:)ROBERTAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09130103117335080071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-71701991363663239832011-06-27T00:58:03.902-04:002011-06-27T00:58:03.902-04:00Yes, Elizabeth, there is nothing of divine in the ...Yes, Elizabeth, there is nothing of divine in the call of Abraham to sacrifice his Son Isaac. The unconscious god of Abraham in the passage in question must not be interpreted in a pantheistic sense. We are not far from often affirming that the unconscious of the it may be something of divine. If we have said that the unconscious bring with itself the element “also spiritual”, an unconscious religiousness, never and then never it could be surrounded by the aureole of the divine. The fact that exists an unconscious relation with God does not want at all to mean that God may be “in us”, that inhabits in us unconsciously, that fulfills our unconscious. These would be thesis of amateur theology and the Way out of amateur theology is Jesus.<br /><br />Walter Vitalewalterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02888384403637148260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-71841767104772169352011-06-26T23:31:36.461-04:002011-06-26T23:31:36.461-04:00Bateau Master - So, wait. It's okay for you to...Bateau Master - So, wait. It's okay for you to have independent thoughts and ideas (or, heresy, as you say) about salvation history and the gospel , but not me? <br /><br />I don't think so. <br /><br />It's not disagreement so much as different perspectives. I don't disagree with you, necessarily. I just have a different image of God, based on what I understand and experience of the revelation in Christ Jesus.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-7819068922688469142011-06-26T23:27:43.941-04:002011-06-26T23:27:43.941-04:00Thank you, Anonymous. Please leave your name next ...Thank you, Anonymous. Please leave your name next time.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-66766745981326462122011-06-26T23:01:34.208-04:002011-06-26T23:01:34.208-04:00I think God grew to long for us to be reconciled w...I think God grew to long for us to be reconciled with the Creator as we first were. But God didn't know how. For while omnipotent, the free will element made for so many permutations of the now, that God could predict each one, but did not know which would become the reality. The beasts of the fields were easy to predict and follow - us, not so much.<br /><br />We have thrown God a few monkey wrenches (or the ancient equivalent.) For example: We didn't respond so well after the flood thing. Perhaps a covenant might work? Also, I am sure Jesus was not sent here to be tortured and murdered - we did that - and again changed the relationship with God. <br /><br />We now have the Spirit to guide us. Often the Spirit is not listened to, thus we have such a wonderful 2000 year history since Pentecost. I know I have not always listened, and wish that element of the Trinity would be a bit more forceful or at least say. "Bonehead, Its Time To Listen!"<br /><br />So we disagree on much of this, but as a lay person I have the luxury of heretical thinking - funny, they never let me lead adult education! ;)Bateau Masterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17641991475361553674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-89043557136359601462011-06-26T21:02:03.257-04:002011-06-26T21:02:03.257-04:00Loved the sermon.Loved the sermon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-77225995660897197752011-06-26T21:00:11.949-04:002011-06-26T21:00:11.949-04:00Bateau Master - I have absolutely no doubt that Ab...Bateau Master - I have absolutely no doubt that Abraham believes that God spoke to him, and that the people who heard his story believed that God spoke to him. <br /><br />My post-modern mind tells me that God does not "test" people in this way - by leading them to do this kind of heinous act to a child. That just doesn't square with the image of God who is revealed in Jesus. <br /><br />Think about that, for a moment, Bateau Master. Either God is a vicious, pernicious schitzophrenic monster who toys with people's lives, leading them beyond sin to do heinous acts of terror, or God is merciful and loves us unconditionally - longing for us to be reconciled in ourselves and with one another and God - even when our grief or confusion or fear pushes the boundaries of sanity and we end up blaming God for the insane things we do. <br /><br />That's not ignoring the text. That's loving The Word so much that you are willing to enter into it with your whole heart and soul and mind to find the message for our lives today.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-81532030109794557092011-06-26T19:46:09.594-04:002011-06-26T19:46:09.594-04:00Now this isn't proof texting - it's sort o...Now this isn't proof texting - it's sort of the opposite, like text ignoring. Either God spoke to Abraham or he didn't. If he didn't, with whom did Abraham form a Covenant? If he did, do you think Abraham would recognize God's instruction?<br /><br />Love to read your understanding of Job.<br /><br />The God of Genesis seems to have mellowed by the time of Herod. The Almighty isn't nearly so touchy about violations of hospitality and wanton sinfulness. Sort of kicks the group punishment paradigm. <br /><br />Scripture is there for interpretation, I'm sure some of mine are entirely heretical. I am not sure about this one of yours.Bateau Masterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17641991475361553674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-15814364109567549452011-06-26T19:11:39.093-04:002011-06-26T19:11:39.093-04:00Hey there, Renz - I think home churches are the wa...Hey there, Renz - I think home churches are the way of the future - as it was in the beginning. Church buildings are nothing but a diversion from mission and ministry. Oh, I still love to visit old, grand cathedrals, but if any money goes into buildings, it should be for that.<br /><br />I'm not sure I understand your question, Renz. Are you asking when the lectionary was put together? I'll have to check some of my books, but I think it's been around since the post-Constantine shift to state religion.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-74556387557300534492011-06-26T19:07:04.000-04:002011-06-26T19:07:04.000-04:00Muthah - You know, I hope this story did change th...Muthah - You know, I hope this story did change the custom of human infant sacrifice. There would be redemption in it if that were the case. <br /><br />Thanks for your kind words. I really had a good time with the challenge of explaining these three lessons, strung together like this.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-83021612820097376732011-06-26T19:05:23.505-04:002011-06-26T19:05:23.505-04:00Hey, Mimi - I just got back from a Garden Party at...Hey, Mimi - I just got back from a Garden Party at the Church. They were still talking about the sermon. I was great. I worked 'em hard, but they were up for the challenge. I feel blessed.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-82716894506210686782011-06-26T16:40:39.608-04:002011-06-26T16:40:39.608-04:00Elizabeth, thanks for the sermon. I am finally att...Elizabeth, thanks for the sermon. I am finally attaching myself to a renegade congregation in my diocese who are now home churchng as the building has been sold off. They are tiny enough that they borrow sermons to read and todays was less than satisfying.<br /><br />Quick question. Can you tell me in a line or two how long these readings have been put together? How old are most of the links in the lectionary?RENZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981050766307343246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-53669226367583576442011-06-26T14:47:19.443-04:002011-06-26T14:47:19.443-04:00I have always understood the story of the Sacrific...I have always understood the story of the Sacrifice of Isaac was about the change in Middle Eastern custom of offering the first-born as sacrifice. I like your isogesis, however. 8>D<br /><br />Especially with the situation you have locally, this is a powerful sermon, Sistah--as always.Muthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-28735057143212319722011-06-26T14:06:53.767-04:002011-06-26T14:06:53.767-04:00Your sermon enlightened me and enlarged my store o...Your sermon enlightened me and enlarged my store of knowledge, Elizabeth. I hope it was well-received.<br /><br />And the Caravaggios are powerful, indeed. The artist is one of my favorites, though he often does not paint pretty pictures.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.com