tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post5816188185077281627..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: A New Anglican Covenant: The Unholy War Against WomenElizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-37263213488123213552010-01-09T19:50:00.134-05:002010-01-09T19:50:00.134-05:00Thank you all for your wonderful comments. Thanks...Thank you all for your wonderful comments. Thanks, Geeklet, for your contribution. I got it, but thanks for the clarification.<br /><br />It's a tough subject but one I'm committed to writing about more frequently.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-720975409335987432010-01-09T19:26:35.972-05:002010-01-09T19:26:35.972-05:00I would like to clarify that, by (lesser,) human b...I would like to clarify that, by (lesser,) human being, I meant to say "lesser," insofar as it is the perception of the rapist.<br /><br />Sorry for my goof. :(Geeklethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01102751008887092513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-28984641851231385752010-01-09T19:09:16.985-05:002010-01-09T19:09:16.985-05:00Until we can make masculinity about something othe...Until we can make masculinity about something other than power, this problem will not go away.<br /><br />And we really need to convince society that rape isn't about sex at all. It's about gaining power through sexual aggression and violation.<br /><br />To be blunt, that's what they're really getting off on - the power they can have over another (lesser,) human being.<br /><br />Thanks for posting on this, Ms. Elizabeth. It's certainly a subject which isn't focused on often enough.<br /><br />- Geeklet<br /><br />PS: Ever notice how the language states, "Oh, she got raped"? It's like saying, "Oh, she got some flowers." Way to minimize the part of the perpetrator!<br /><br />Okay...I'm done now.Geeklethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01102751008887092513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-84239376890762009212010-01-09T10:04:32.593-05:002010-01-09T10:04:32.593-05:00It will take the cultural shift that makes anythin...It will take the cultural shift that makes anything any man does to further the rape culture a mark of shame. And it will take screaming to the rooftops their names. <br /><br />Rape is a crime of silence. Women do not shout about it and men certainly don't talk about it but someone is paying the pimps!<br /><br />FWIW<br />jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-14455792668113751092010-01-09T00:28:00.940-05:002010-01-09T00:28:00.940-05:00Horrific and sobering. I don't have answers, ...Horrific and sobering. I don't have answers, Elizabeth, but attention must be paid. <br /><br />My friend Georgianne traveled to Congo several times and has friends there. She's visited the refugee camps and seen the unspeakable conditions and heard the women's rape stories first hand. She writes her stories at <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georgianne-nienaber/grassroots-news-from-cong_b_273213.html" rel="nofollow">Huffington post</a>, but hers is a voice crying in the wilderness. Too few pay attention.<br /><br />Doxy, your comment is excellent. I can't laugh at sexist "satire" any longer. If that makes me "humorless" or "oversensitive", well too fecking bad.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-74320258243089535162010-01-08T22:36:19.106-05:002010-01-08T22:36:19.106-05:00Thank you, Doxy, for your insight and wisdom and e...Thank you, Doxy, for your insight and wisdom and especially for the definition of Rape Culture.<br /><br />Yes, men are also victims of sexual assault and violence, but clearly not to the extent to which this violence affects women.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-21832227967173546472010-01-08T22:20:26.151-05:002010-01-08T22:20:26.151-05:00It will take people being willing to recognize tha...It will take people being willing to recognize that we live in a <a href="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html" rel="nofollow">Rape Culture</a>, and stop making light of that or dismissing it as some kind of feminist propaganda.<br /><br />It will take men who refuse to objectify women and who have the courage to stand up to their brothers when they see or hear them doing it.<br /><br />It will take both men and women running the risk of being called "humorless" or "overly sensitive" to counter Every.Single.Comment. that turns sexual assault into a joke, or hints that someone "deserved" to be raped.<br /><br />It will take both men and women countering Every.Single.Comment. that places the blame for rape on ANYONE or ANYTHING other than the rapist.<br /><br />It will take parents teaching their sons that women are not property, and that only explicit consent to sexual relations is acceptable.<br /><br />It will take parents teaching their daughters that sexual assault or coercion is a CRIME, and not something that they have to live with. <br /><br />It will take instituting serious penalties for men who are responsible for rape, rather than the slap on the wrist that the few who are ever convicted get now. For those who order using rape as a weapon of war, it will take being tried in world courts for human rights violations and incarcerated forever for their crimes.<br /><br />In short, it will take a complete overhaul of global culture--and, at the risk of sounding like Britt Hume, I will say that I believe that faith is the only way to do that. (Notice I didn't say "Jesus"... ;-)<br /><br />Thanks for writing about this, Elizabeth. It is a deadly serious subject for hundreds of millions of women. The only way to end the war on women is to make people understand the structure that enables it and show them how they may be inadvertently perpetuating it. <br /><br />It is certainly the responsibility of the church to address this issue explicitly and forcefully. But the church seems to be more interested in policing what a same-sex couple in love does in the bedroom than it does in addressing sexual violence or the objectification of women. <br /><br />I think those two things are intimately tied together of course. Raping and humiliating women, and threatening GLBTs with violence (and using it), is all part and parcel of a patriarchal culture that will stop at nothing to protect its privilege.<br /><br />Pax,<br />Doxy<br /><br />P.S. I know that men are also the victims of sexual assault, but you focused on women--and the problem is demonstrably greater for women. Would that we could end physical/sexual/emotional violence of ALL sorts....Wormwood's Doxyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10882756844690851674noreply@blogger.com