tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post6207036365405289994..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: God is marchingElizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-57340562577972817572013-06-17T18:55:34.211-04:002013-06-17T18:55:34.211-04:00Hi, Michael,
Guilty as charged. I'm so glad y...Hi, Michael,<br /><br />Guilty as charged. I'm so glad you are one of those who had a positive experience at CBC during those wild, awful years of pain and uncertainty. And, I'm so glad you are doing well. <br /><br />Makes my heart sing. <br /><br />Congratulations on your happy marriage. Please feel free to contact me at motherkaeton at gmail dot com.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-65037211135195243292013-06-17T11:35:53.344-04:002013-06-17T11:35:53.344-04:00Hi Mthr. Elizabeth,
My name is Michael Woerner. D...Hi Mthr. Elizabeth,<br />My name is Michael Woerner. Did you work at the Chase-Brexton Clinic in Baltimore, MD in the 80s and 90s? I used to work with Bill Urban at the Baltimore Alternative, and just wanted to say thank you for all that you and Greg Wise did for me at that time. My health is great (25 years with HIV) and I joined the Episcopal Church in 2010. I also married a wonderful man who shares my love for the Church.<br /><br />If this is you, you can write me at boybear1963@hotmail.com, if you want.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />MichaelMichael Woernernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-25854056929606993162013-06-14T12:15:00.332-04:002013-06-14T12:15:00.332-04:00Continued from above.
Why are so many young men n...Continued from above.<br /><br />Why are so many young men not interested in marriage and family life? I blame some of it on the economy. Many men are not cut out to be professionals. They can run a machine but they are never going to sit down and provide counseling of some sort. We used to have many manufacturing jobs where a man could earn a decent living without having a PhD. I must confess that I was embittered about how the country in 2009 rose to the occasion to save the banks and big insurance companies with hardly a peep, but when it came to saving the auto industry there was much weeping and gnashing of teeth...and indeed there were those politicians who said let Detroit go to hell in a hand basket. So there is part of what has happened to our young men. They are not considered worthy by society. <br /><br />There was an article in the latest issue of The Atlantic about what heteros could learn from gay marriage. <br /><br />http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/06/the-gay-guide-to-wedded-bliss/309317/<br /><br /><br />Much of it was centered on the idea that gay couples have to work out the roles of marriage because there is no traditional standard role templates (who takes out the garbage, who feeds the baby) like there are in hetero marriages. I think this a wonderful idea. Maybe hetero men (and some hetero women) may learn from our gay compatriots in this strange and wonderful journey called marriage how to treat their spouse with respect and human dignity. <br /><br />Women no longer need men to make their way in the world, and that is good. But does that mean that marriage as we knew it should just come to an end? Can men learn to adapt or are they going to just crack open a beer and turn to the latest porn video? <br /><br />I see a lot of lonely people in the future. <br /><br />I hope that heteros can learn from gay marriage, and that gay couples can strive for the best conditions from traditional marriage. I have always considered this men from Mars, women from Venus to be bullshit. We are all from Earth, we are all human beings. We can all treat each other with respect, love, and human dignity. We all need a rock to cling to, a safe harbor to drop our anchor and ride out the storms of life. We all need someone to love and someone to love us.Sextanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02869179401767968180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-63924425731668114782013-06-14T12:13:40.564-04:002013-06-14T12:13:40.564-04:00Elizabeth & Mark,
The way I live with men is...Elizabeth & Mark, <br /><br />The way I live with men is not...I have little tolerance for macho bullshit and have few male friends. <br /><br />To amplify what Mark said, I find the stereotypical porn image of a woman on her knees before an erect man to be hideously repulsive, and the whole "ho bitch" cum in her face nonsense that goes on in porn to be extremely damaging to both women and men. Kids see this shit and think that is how sex should be. Why the subservient ho bitch something to be despised, yet this testosterone soaked beast brutalizing a woman half his physical size is something that we should admire? Why do women tolerate that shit? <br /><br />I live with a woman who is not only my wife, but my best friend, confidante, and my lover and only lover. She is the light of my world, and yes my Soulmate, trite as that may be. We have never been ones to have our night out with the boys or girls...we do things together. Thirty eight years ago I was teetering on the gutter, and this wonderful woman grabbed my hand and pulled me away from the abyss. Anything decent in my life I owe to her. <br /><br />I do have male friends from work and none are what you would call macho dudes...all are happily married and honor their wives. <br /><br />I tend to agree with Mark regarding macho men and I worry what is going to become of society with the current trend of people living alone. Many young men are just sort of dropping out of life. They prefer porn to real women, live at home with their parents and keep minimal jobs to keep them in beer money. I don't know, I guess that I am old school. I think people belong together in loving relationships...be it hetero or same sex. Yet I read of the difficulties young women have finding suitable young men. I read with fear about women being willing to support a child alone but not willing to support a do nothing husband. I don't blame a woman for not wanting to support a husband, but why is that even a consideration? <br /><br />Ooops too long continued below. <br /><br />Sextanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02869179401767968180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-76219260121346892352013-06-14T00:17:34.499-04:002013-06-14T00:17:34.499-04:00Elizabeth,
Like so many, we can live with them b...Elizabeth, <br /><br />Like so many, we can live with them because they think we are like them. If you mean "stomach them" - I'm not sure I can, any longer. This "Ra-ra, I'm a man, smell my pits and bow before my balls" attitude is not just depressing, it's bestial - not animal, since even animals recognize the strength of females - just bestial. I wish us to be one people - can we ever be, after so much damage, so much unearned distrust? Can women, if they are given their just place, ever trust us enough to act together, ever resist the very just urge to get their own back? I hope so, but they will have to be extraordinary people, after the misuse they've been subjected to.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-55000349460878085522013-06-13T22:37:24.777-04:002013-06-13T22:37:24.777-04:00Sextant. I think you know the answer to your own q...Sextant. I think you know the answer to your own questions. I don't know how men like you - and there are many but we need so many more - can live with the majority of men in this world. Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-23743392154669051062013-06-13T22:35:59.857-04:002013-06-13T22:35:59.857-04:008thday - You ask interesting questions. TEC has no...8thday - You ask interesting questions. TEC has non-discriminatory canons the way our culture has laws - all to protect those who aren't white, male, ablebodied and straight<br /><br />Funny thing about that, eh?<br /><br />Back in the day, one Hispanic gay man stood up in a meeting and said, "How nice of you to 'include' me. Whose house is this anyway? I am baptized. I'm already included."<br /><br />Thus began the "beyond inclusion" movement. It continues today.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-53649444606343446772013-06-13T22:22:31.332-04:002013-06-13T22:22:31.332-04:00Thanks, NanThanks, NanElizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-57474137409727018072013-06-13T17:21:05.659-04:002013-06-13T17:21:05.659-04:00Lovely quote in the photo. BTW in the actual quot...Lovely quote in the photo. BTW in the actual quote, if the man brings false witness against his wife because he doesn't like her, he will be fined 100 shekels. But if her father can not prove she was a virgin, then the people will stone her to death... lovely. <br /><br />What happens if the man is not a virgin? <br /><br />Why are boys not given purity rings? <br /><br />Interesting post, and you are right in all your observations. If any one doubts voting rights, just review last summer's voter ID laws that were passed. Sextanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02869179401767968180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-64391873673879544052013-06-13T16:16:43.848-04:002013-06-13T16:16:43.848-04:00I do love the banner that states "The Episcop...I do love the banner that states "The Episcopal Church welcomes Everyone" which is how I feel it should be, but someone once told me that is only "code" for welcoming gay folks.<br /><br />What seriously interests me is this - <br /><br /><i>It's not exactly "generally in favor" when you have institutional approval of LGBT people</i><br /><br />Does the Episcopal Church have institutional approval of any other groups of persons? Or is it only the gays that need approval? Did inter-racial couples need institutional approval to marry?<br /><br />And a follow up to that - if an institution "approves" a group, I assume they can also change their minds and disapprove them?<br /><br />As much as I appreciate religious institutions finally unclenching their fists, it still seems to me rather insulting and contrary to Gospel teachings, to have to be "approved" by a church.8thdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17139355263412766126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-74258381092268647532013-06-13T14:42:00.920-04:002013-06-13T14:42:00.920-04:00Elizabeth, you do *such* good work! Thank you yet ...Elizabeth, you do *such* good work! Thank you yet again.Nan Bushhttp://dancingpastthedark.comnoreply@blogger.com