tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post7214340298281365310..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: Muscular ChristianityElizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-36512486575861112942011-11-21T21:02:12.948-05:002011-11-21T21:02:12.948-05:00Michael, you can tell yourself that the authority ...Michael, you can tell yourself that the authority of gender is not a factor and believe it, but I don't believe it for one red hot NY minute.<br /><br />Oh, and about zero tolerance - if Parry is proven guilty, I will have no tolerance for him or Jerry Sandusky or any of the minions of RC priests or anyone else who has abused his power and authority with children or women or anyone else. <br /><br />Zero. Tolerance.<br /><br />And, innocent until proven guilty.<br /><br />And, forgiveness and reconciliation while maintaining zero tolerance.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-64325526150109216302011-11-21T18:57:52.294-05:002011-11-21T18:57:52.294-05:00Well, the Curmudgeon's sources aren't exac...Well, the Curmudgeon's sources aren't exactly "nothing," since they include legal filings, an on-the-record interview, and a written statement by Parry himself (with the large caveat that the man has been proven a monstrous liar in the past). But I'm quite content to let the TEC canonical process work its way through.<br /><br />Man vs. woman has nothing to do with it.<br /><br />xxMichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-60079740709835446542011-11-21T09:01:18.564-05:002011-11-21T09:01:18.564-05:00Michael - Of COURSE you would prefer the --- um --...Michael - Of COURSE you would prefer the --- um --- "information" developed by the Anglican Curmudgeon vs. the Presiding Bishop. He has NO credentials. None. Nothing to even back up his allegations. No charges filed. She, on the other hand, is the PB. Of The Episcopal Church.<br /><br />Oh, and let's not forget the most important credential. He's male. She's female. <br /><br />Done. Except, of course the added benefit of the fact that the Anglican Curmudgeon (now, there's a big hint as to the veracity of his POV) supports your POV of TEC and +KJS doesn't.<br /><br />Stop wasting your time here, Michael. Go talk to people who agree with you and support your POV. Let's let the canonical process determine justice in this case.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-64238376352278808372011-11-21T08:13:23.890-05:002011-11-21T08:13:23.890-05:00Gerry - Thanks for your brave witness here and the...Gerry - Thanks for your brave witness here and the amazing work you've had to do in order to be healthy enough to make this witness. May it continue to change lives.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-36693259849952037012011-11-21T00:47:14.313-05:002011-11-21T00:47:14.313-05:00A series of books called 'Christian Meat for C...A series of books called 'Christian Meat for Christian Muscles' (published Aug 2011 and Nov 2011), discuss the position of human weakness we all find ourselves in until we hunger and thirst for God's strength to live successful Christian lives. Every chapter makes you think ... am I falling short here?sandtorockhttp://www.sandtorock.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-85056685863088208582011-11-20T22:27:38.805-05:002011-11-20T22:27:38.805-05:00Elizabeth...
Up front I am going to tell you that...Elizabeth...<br /><br />Up front I am going to tell you that I am an alumnus of Penn State University, Class of 1969, and second I am a survivor of what is today called "Indecent Assault" by two counselors (working as a team)at an RCC summer athletic camp when I was ten. <br /><br />The first was a seminarian, the other newly ordained. When it happened, I did what my father had told me to do if any one ever did what they did and went to the Camp office and reported what had happened. They never came near me again, but I had to deal with each at various times for the next six years as I went through Catholic Middle and High School.<br /><br />I became convinced over time that I was wrong and suppressed the memory to the detriment of my personal life and relationships. It took several years of therapy and a lot of hard work before I accepted that it was real and the Church had failed me. <br /><br />That said, I want to point out that Universities, the Church, Atheletic Departments and Football programs, etc. are not qualified or capable of policing themselves when it comes to child abuse, financial mismanagement, sexual harassment, or other crimes.<br /><br />Law enforcement, crime prevention and criminal investigations are the purview of the police, the courts and other law enforcement agencies. <br /><br />Let them do their jobs... help them to their jobs.gerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196788499920350732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-18399177247161910882011-11-20T21:20:34.904-05:002011-11-20T21:20:34.904-05:00Hmmm, we seem to be using two sets of information ...Hmmm, we seem to be using two sets of information here.<br /><br />You appear to be using the PB's statement as the basis for your remarks. This basically says that Parry had one incident, was sent to Servants of the Paraclete, and eventually was laicized in the RC Church because he desired to pursue secular work. His psychological evaluation came back negative for further sexual abuse, and the then-Bishop of Nevada had very sparse contacts with Bede's RCC superiors.<br /><br />I am using the line of information developed by the Anglican Curmudgeon. It records multiple sexual misdeeds by Parry over the years in the RCC, his being screened out of monastery life by two separate monasteries, a laicization he was in no position to contest, an utterly damning psychiatric assessment, and a warning by a RC abbot to the then-Bishop of Nevada that the man failed that assessment.<br /><br />Since neither of us is in a position to verify either account, I think that I will wait for the inevitable TEC canonical process that probably has already started to look into the truth of the situation.<br /><br />However, your statement that "The allegations against him are not anything he did in TEC," is still a mystery to me.<br /><br />Since the allegations were all (be they a single event or multiple) of a sexual nature, what difference is that to "zero tolerance" you? If Parry were run out of the RCC on doctrinal grounds, I could see your point. But this has to do with a chickenhawk going after a teenager. Does the religion of the perpetrator at the time of the event(s) really matter to you?<br /><br />xxMichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-32033862741074659982011-11-19T13:56:21.097-05:002011-11-19T13:56:21.097-05:00Michael - Get something 'straight'. What a...Michael - Get something 'straight'. What a wonderful Freudian slip! <br /><br />You are obviously reading into this what you want to see. If you read the PB's letter, the "incident" with Parry was clearly a boundary crossing but it was, by all accounts, a one time situation which occurred in the context of a situation where that was the "accepted norm" (read: The RC church). It did not involve genital activity. All reports from certified psychologists who specialize in this field were that he was not a pedophile. Even so, she was NOT the only one who had the information. The Commission on Ministry did as did the Standing Committee. All of the people on all of these committees agreed that they would consent to his ordination with certain safeguards to protect him and his flock from any "near occasion of sin". <br /><br />Furthermore, the charges brought against Bede are not from things which happened while he was an Episcopal priest but rather old charges from his days as an RC priest.<br /><br />I have no - zero - tolerance for sexual predators. It is yet to be proven if this, in fact, is the case.<br /><br />The only surprising thing to me is that I have to remind you, a citizen of this country and a priest in God's one, holy, catholic and apostolic church, of "innocent before proven guilty" and the need for us always to seek God's mercy and justice with humility.<br /><br />Then again, maybe I'm not so surprised.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-55029966867311138062011-11-19T02:12:28.892-05:002011-11-19T02:12:28.892-05:00Some questions as I'm trying to get this strai...Some questions as I'm trying to get this straight.<br /><br />Since Parry was a RCC priest having sex with presumably a RCC teenager, it is ok to have him become a TEC priest? Would it been different if he had molested a TEC teen back when he was a RCC priest? <br /><br />What were the "firm boundaries?" Nobody but KJS seems to have known that Parry had any limitations whatsoever on his TEC priestly ministry in the Diocese of Nevada. <br /><br />And how can you say that you have "zero tolerance for sexual predators" in your comment to Muthah+ six posts up and then commend KJS for accepting Parry into priestly ministry?<br /><br /><br /><br />FrMichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-50669269887590105592011-11-18T19:12:55.342-05:002011-11-18T19:12:55.342-05:00Hello again, Michael. Ah, you think I'm going ...Hello again, Michael. Ah, you think I'm going to take the bait, aren't you? Comment on a priest who transferred to "my" church from "your" church? Did you read Bishop Katharine's letter? The allegations against him are not anything he did in TEC. Couldn't be a better letter of a chief pastor following both the letter of the Law and the Gods spirit of the Law of God to show mercy, forgiveness and reconciliation as well as firm boundaries.<br /><br />Here's a wee bit of unsolicited advice from a sister in Christ: If you're looking for trouble and can't find it, don't make trouble. Not that I mind. It just really pisses Jesus off.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-41386407047330069822011-11-18T11:23:46.414-05:002011-11-18T11:23:46.414-05:00This evil isn't specific only to the RCC or Pe...This evil isn't specific only to the RCC or Penn State.<br /><br />Your own Presiding Bishop put out a statement this week about her allowing a man who admitted to having a sexual encounter with a teenager to become a TEC priest.<br /><br />There's not a lot you or I can do to affect Penn State. But as a prominent progressive TEC blogger, there is a lot you could do to hold TEC's feet to the fire on this. It will be curious to see whether you do so or not.<br /> <br />xxMichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-46774760890200288002011-11-17T23:40:14.629-05:002011-11-17T23:40:14.629-05:00Time may come to stop thinking, 4, for our helluva...Time may come to stop thinking, 4, for our helluva woman and squirt fountains of redemption on the sexual sins of Roman Catholic clergy in the States. And if they do not want to take it? I am not sure that would be the best language to address the potential problem. I would rather say what if they rebuff it? Well then we would just be a little shiner in the God Life Inherent of Sexuality. In the name of One God.<br /><br />Walter Vitalewalterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02888384403637148260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-23206379046879466692011-11-17T09:59:56.650-05:002011-11-17T09:59:56.650-05:00Turtle - I hope this begins an investigation of al...Turtle - I hope this begins an investigation of all male dominated sports and institutions, but I don't want to eliminate sports. That would be as successful and as dumb as Prohibition. I just don't want anyone to be sexualized, objectified or abused by anyone. Anywhere.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-90790097761763082882011-11-17T00:21:00.533-05:002011-11-17T00:21:00.533-05:00Just imagine if they started to investigate all th...Just imagine if they started to investigate all the football programs nationwide. Every diasis (can't spell that word to save my life) of the catholic church had its bishops covering up pedofile priests. The cult of football, the military, the all male priesthood, every all male institution has this structure... it is about dominance, control, sexualization of the weak--women and children. It's the cult of men who believe women are inferior sex toys, who create torture (I mean pornography) for sexual entertainment of men. I say women need to shut down every single one of these male fraturnities of power.... stop watching the big games, stop supporting the sports teams, stop being cheerleaders to the cult of manhood and child molestation. It's what these male cults do, and this is only the tip of the iceberg! It's why the male newscasters are going nuts, because putrid patriarchy is being exposed for all to see.Turtlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-89121954196862305442011-11-16T19:07:50.546-05:002011-11-16T19:07:50.546-05:00Christian - On one level, it's really pathetic...Christian - On one level, it's really pathetic, isn't it?Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-38664509623256302622011-11-16T19:05:13.957-05:002011-11-16T19:05:13.957-05:00Muthah+ I think it says that I have zero tolerance...Muthah+ I think it says that I have zero tolerance for sexual predators. And, because just requires constant vigilance and persistence. And, because I decided long ago that I'm in for the long haul.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-76205981106640867132011-11-16T18:56:16.560-05:002011-11-16T18:56:16.560-05:00Any time someone extols the virtues of "bully...Any time someone extols the virtues of "bully Jesus" I wonder what Gospels they read. Certainly not the ones I know.Christian Paolinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02191300934950572656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-32079050379235346692011-11-16T17:52:52.257-05:002011-11-16T17:52:52.257-05:00That you still have the energy to comment on this ...That you still have the energy to comment on this story says much about you. I am so tired of this kind of "muscular" everything, that it is enervating. I can't bring myself to blog on the whole PSU thing.<br /><br /><br />wf: ovelinta wonder if it is anything like a fuzzy navelMuthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.com