tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post7497320597355034773..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: Changing Attitude Challenges AkinolaElizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-40442009736082671262007-03-07T12:54:00.000-05:002007-03-07T12:54:00.000-05:00One fact that has been established is that Canon A...One fact that has been established is that Canon Akintunde Popoola has lied outright and repeatedly about Mac-Iyalla over at Thinking Anglicans. As I understand, the Canon works for Akinola. <BR/><BR/>Another fact that we may have forgotten (since it didn't occur within the past 24-hour news cycle) is Akinola's "complicity through insinuation" in the Nigerian Christians' attacks on Muslims and their houses of worship. <BR/><BR/>Even aside from that, a godly man who seek to protect -- or at least ratchet-down the rancor toward -- another human who is the target of "religious" hatred.Lisa Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00881671380217888810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-4232068041787973732007-03-06T21:09:00.000-05:002007-03-06T21:09:00.000-05:00"Then everyone will eat warm apple pies made by st..."Then everyone will eat warm apple pies made by stay-at-home moms who love to be driven to the grocery stores by their husbands in their Cheverolets and all will be right with the world again. "<BR/><BR/>Rev. Elizabeth,<BR/><BR/>Let's not pick on Chevy's. The GM workers need the sales and they are getting almost green. <BR/><BR/>There are, without recourse to the person who wrote the press release, reasons to assign responsibility to Abp Akinola, the Nigerian church and Bp. Mimms for the persecution. <BR/><BR/>First, and formost, Abp. Akinola is prominently involved in Nigerian politics. He has, and the Nigerian church has, publicly endorsed the amazingly hateful legislation before the Nigerian Senate. His Virginia bishop has made no effort to distance himself from the law. Indeed their letters to the Virginia congregations they are trying to bring into their fold with pledges intact, are very evaisive on the subject.<BR/><BR/>"Silence betokens consent" as St. Thomas Moore reminds us.<BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-12921331629126745692007-03-06T17:15:00.000-05:002007-03-06T17:15:00.000-05:00NB&S,I'm allowing your comment because it's not na...NB&S,<BR/><BR/>I'm allowing your comment because it's not nasty and besides, I want to point out the difference between an "article" - which Kendall posts and a "press release" which this is.<BR/><BR/>Get it?<BR/><BR/>So, yes, the questions are good ones (although Eileen makes a good point, too), and need to be directed to the person who wrote the - ready? Not article but PRESS RELEASE.<BR/><BR/>Now, do try and behave yourselves when you're bored.<BR/><BR/>This will all be over soon. Before you know it, you'll have that nice Peter Jasper Akinola man declaring that Abuja is the new Canterbury and HE is the new ABC.<BR/><BR/>Then everyone will eat warm apple pies made by stay-at-home moms who love to be driven to the grocery stores by their husbands in their Cheverolets and all will be right with the world again.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-61637457657748452762007-03-06T17:10:00.000-05:002007-03-06T17:10:00.000-05:00Well, it didn't take me long to add two and two an...Well, it didn't take me long to add two and two and come up with "Bottom Feeders" over at "Viagra Central."<BR/><BR/>I can tell whenever it's a slow news day and the sharks are hungry. SFiF sends out the "Bottom Feeders."<BR/><BR/>You are all unbelievable! <BR/><BR/>Sorry, boys. Tank's closed for the day. Go swim someplace else.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-68133707564124941782007-03-06T15:52:00.000-05:002007-03-06T15:52:00.000-05:00Rev. Kaeton,Just last week you complained that Ken...Rev. Kaeton,<BR/>Just last week you complained that Kendall Harmon posts items that he has not written. Why you think it's wrong for a blogger to do that is a mystery to me, but the bottom line is that you've now done the exact same thing that you complain about Kendall doing. <BR/><BR/>And when people question you about it, you just throw up your hands and say they are complaining in the wrong venue. Surely you recognize the inconsistency?Nasty, Brutish & Shorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05002804712058461009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-8319126147741032372007-03-06T15:46:00.000-05:002007-03-06T15:46:00.000-05:00While it is an extrapolation to assume that the in...While it is an extrapolation to assume that the intimidators are Church of Nigeria, I also don't see the Church of Nigeria refuting these claims, nor refuting these kinds of tactics at the leadership level.<BR/><BR/>Of course, I don't see ++Williams doing it either, which is disappointing to say the very least.episcopalifemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18092579249862725163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-54490235524189987012007-03-06T15:30:00.000-05:002007-03-06T15:30:00.000-05:00I would have thought that Changing Attitude would ...I would have thought that Changing Attitude would have contacted Colin Coward about the evidence and made this available to readers. It ought not be up to those coming to this website to do the footwork to verify stories. My immediate reaction to Mr. Mac-Iyalla's recent encounters is that this might be Muslim intimidation.Richard Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17924561873611639414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-72640026810670452522007-03-06T14:30:00.000-05:002007-03-06T14:30:00.000-05:00Hiram,Like Peter, you make a valid point.Like Pete...Hiram,<BR/><BR/>Like Peter, you make a valid point.<BR/><BR/>Like Peter, you make it in the wrong venue.<BR/><BR/>I strongly urge you both to contact Colin Coward.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-424397301946689472007-03-06T14:27:00.000-05:002007-03-06T14:27:00.000-05:00I have the same question as Peter -- The Church of...I have the same question as Peter -- The Church of Nigeria, while fast-growing, does not have all Nigerians in it's membership -- not even half, at most, since half of Nigeria is Muslim, and there are also other Christian bodies, not to mention members of traditional, animistic religions.<BR/><BR/>So, simply because, Mr Mac-Iyalla recieves threats from Nigerians does not mean that they are from members of the Church of Nigeria. And even if such threats are coming from a group of Nigerians who profess to be Christians, that does not mean that the Church of Nigeria is responsible for what they say. I have some 250 or so members of my congregation (on paper, at least), and I know that if I knew everything that they did, I would be grieved -- for even the best and most faithful members are inconsistent, and do not do all that I teach. And heaven knows that I struggle myself to be consistent with what I believe and teach...<BR/><BR/>So, if some of the 17 million plus Anglicans in Nigeria do not act in accordance with the Christian teachings on respect for all and love for one's enemies, ought we to be surprised?<BR/><BR/>Mr. Mac-Iyalla is clearly a very brave man, to be willing to be known as a person with an attraction to members of his own sex in a culture where that is something not to be spoken of. At the same time, he seems to have some questions about his past, and it is not unknown for people to seek attention to further their cause.Hiramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00845924600039905182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-14416490272792343022007-03-06T13:20:00.000-05:002007-03-06T13:20:00.000-05:00I wish the challenge had included Rowan Williams a...I wish the challenge had included Rowan Williams and our own Katherine.Mike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-51679637869387743852007-03-06T12:14:00.000-05:002007-03-06T12:14:00.000-05:00That's a fair enough question. But, if you really...That's a fair enough question. But, if you really want to know, why not ask it of Colin? His contact information is at the end of the press release.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-23813205070043146322007-03-06T12:09:00.000-05:002007-03-06T12:09:00.000-05:00This paragraph is logically troubling:"The threats...This paragraph is logically troubling:<BR/>"The threats of violence and intimidation against Mr Mac-Iyalla can only come from members of the Church of Nigeria and with the approval and encouragement of the Church...It is the deliberate action of the Church of Nigeria, organised we believe from the centre, that is leading to these further acts of intimidation against Mr Mac-Iyalla."<BR/><BR/>These are serious charges! Where exactly is the evidence to support them? If there really is evidence to back them up, why hasn't "Changing Attitudes" come forward with it?Peter M. Vermiglihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14230895473681597955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-53883857593302765132007-03-06T08:29:00.000-05:002007-03-06T08:29:00.000-05:00Is there any doubt but that the church in Nigeria ...Is there any doubt but that the church in Nigeria is being run by thugs. They preach the gospel and condone threats and murder.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05623709712119761741noreply@blogger.com