tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post8604906182674208978..comments2024-02-10T08:35:39.336-05:00Comments on Telling Secrets: NOOMAElizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-78677049428453487032009-03-05T18:28:00.000-05:002009-03-05T18:28:00.000-05:00Yup, yup, yup. J2A, along with "Catechesis of the ...Yup, yup, yup. J2A, along with "Catechesis of the Good Shepherd" and "Godly Play". Gotta problem? I gotta three-ring binder program. $39.99. Step right up folks. Solve all your problems with a program.<BR/><BR/>(Sighs deeply, shakes head sadly.)<BR/><BR/>Thanks again, Malinda. You sound terrific. Do you know Tim Wong, my Missioner for Youth and Young Families? I think the two of you would really get along well.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-36032552985674163372009-03-05T09:34:00.000-05:002009-03-05T09:34:00.000-05:00Telling me that you consciously and intentionally ...Telling me that you consciously and intentionally chose the cd's which matched your goals and purposes says a great deal - to me it says that you know your parish's "story" and are using tools to fed, fuel, form and transform to that purpose. That is different than what I too often see and have experienced as the "we've got to get this thing - it will solve all the problems," lemming behavior in the church. Kind of like when Journey to Adulthood first came out - everyone rushed to do it whether they had the support and commitment or youth to make it viable, much less considering if it matched the parish mission/identity/story. It is a good program but isn't one size fits all. That's what gives me pause. Good tools used badly mess us all up. <BR/><BR/>So, again thank you for your thoughts. I'll be interested to know what the overall reaction to the series is, and what results you see from it in the parish.Malindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07532757911962833694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-46214786597713827422009-03-05T08:26:00.000-05:002009-03-05T08:26:00.000-05:00Me,too, Maddy. Me, too.Me,too, Maddy. Me, too.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-42599550650028587592009-03-05T03:24:00.000-05:002009-03-05T03:24:00.000-05:00Rob Bell is a - get ready - CONTROVERSIAL Evangeli...<I>Rob Bell is a - get ready - CONTROVERSIAL Evangelical. Why is he controversial? Well, because he thinks the message of the bible is more important than the words of the bible. Or, in his words: "The Bible is not the point. The point is knowing Jesus Christ and the power of the resurrection."</I><BR/><BR/>Dammit! I must be an evangelical. And after all those horrible things I've said about them.MadPriesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120376342802143188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-73912686703836981202009-03-04T20:53:00.000-05:002009-03-04T20:53:00.000-05:00Hey, Malinda, thanks for stopping by and for leavi...Hey, Malinda, thanks for stopping by and for leaving your lovely comments. I checked out your two blogs and it looks like you are a real expert when it comes to Ministry with young people and children, so I'll leave whether or not we "need" shiny toys to engage their minds. <BR/><BR/>Neither am I an 'expert' on adult education, but after 23 years of ordained ministry and 7 years as ordained leader of this community I do think I have a pretty good sense of what would "play" as a Lenten Series at this particular point in time with this particular community.<BR/><BR/>The NOOMA DVDs are not 'toys' for adults to play with or the be-all-end-all "cure" for Christian education/formation, so much as they are a fresh, novel way to discuss issues that are often difficult for some adult folks to engage - at least in here in "Upper Suburbia" and "Outer Whiteovia". It's just one more tool in our educational kit, is all.<BR/><BR/>I realize that I came down rather heavily and had a not-so-hidden rant agenda about the uber-Evangelicals in this post, and that really doesn't do justice to Rob Bell and his real talent in this DVD series, and I have a wee bit of regret about that now. Thankfully, you saw through that to the real issue at hand.<BR/><BR/>I must also say that not all of the 22 appealed to me. I was glad to be able to have to only select 5. But, I think the 5 I selected are some of his best that suit my particular purposes and needs right now.<BR/><BR/>BTW, Malinda, I love the theology statement on your blog. Stop by again real soon.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-85704267761984938452009-03-04T19:23:00.000-05:002009-03-04T19:23:00.000-05:00I really appreciate your review and comments on th...I really appreciate your review and comments on the NOOMA series and Rob Bell. I guess my thing is about do we need it on the big screen fed to us like everything else in our consumer culture. I watched the NAME cd at an area youth leader meeting and while I agree that it is well done and provocative - excellent for the questions it asks, I can do just as good a job with the "who do you say I am" question Jesus asks w/o the technology. Maybe I am too reactionary to what is always the next best shiniest thing that comes along that will cure all of our problems in education and formation. I'm still about presence, relationship, contact, touch - not that NOOMA eliminates that but I just always wonder why we have to watch it to get engaged. <BR/><BR/>Hope I didn't break any comment rules. I think you raise great questions. MalindaMalindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07532757911962833694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-35796237337636512322009-03-04T17:11:00.000-05:002009-03-04T17:11:00.000-05:00Whew! I'm such an Episcopal Newbie, I thought I'd...Whew! I'm such an Episcopal Newbie, I thought I'd missed something obvious. I have now been "ritefully" enrolled, and come Easter Vigil, legitimized. <BR/><BR/>I mean, confirmed.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15701224049914946896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-41396047958330469812009-03-04T14:56:00.000-05:002009-03-04T14:56:00.000-05:00No, not just you, KJ. The same thought occurred t...No, not just you, KJ. The same thought occurred to me, but I LOVE that you picked up on it. What "they" call "emergent church" we've always known as "The Anglican Spirit of Accommodation." <BR/><BR/>It's nice to be ahead of the curve, isn't it?Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-24010199343733263002009-03-04T13:04:00.000-05:002009-03-04T13:04:00.000-05:00Have you every watched any of the "Malcolm In the ...Have you every watched any of the "Malcolm In the Middle" series? In one episode, because of following some very poor advice from his older brothers, Dewey, the younger brother, ends up in the classroom for children with behavioral/emotional issues. The series was always careful to not make fun of the kids, but certainly was scathing of the system in which they were "educated," where the kids are learning nothing. In one scene, a student asks the teacher why the sound of a motorcycle is different as it approaches one, and changes as it passes."<BR/><BR/>"I could explain that to you," is the teacher's reply, "But you'd forget the question before I finished the answer."<BR/><BR/>So, Dewey explains the Doppler Effect to the other student, who responds by jumping up and down shouting, "I learned something! I learned something!"<BR/><BR/>As did I in this post. <BR/><BR/>In our diocese, we are collectively reading Phyllis Tickle's new book, "The Great Emergence." As I learn more about it, the more I'm of the persuasion that the "three-legged stool" of "progressive" Episcopalianism (I place "progressive" in quotes, because is it progressive if it's what the Gospel ought to be? Was Jesus progressive, or loving? But, I digress!) has led to a point that others call "emergence" and seems to catch others by surprise, but to me seems to be a very natural following of the breath of the Spirit, as she is not holding her breath.<BR/><BR/>But, maybe that's just me.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15701224049914946896noreply@blogger.com