tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post8676567019621543027..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: Renewal of Ordination VowsElizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-55163704108152305572010-03-31T23:08:28.710-04:002010-03-31T23:08:28.710-04:00I don't the practice on your side of the Delaw...I don't the practice on your side of the Delaware, Elizabeth, but over here the Chrism Mass with the Renewal of Vows happens not in Holy Week but a week earlier. While it is still in the middle of weekday, a specific invitation is made for laity to attend and come to the meal afterward. I announce this in all the usual ways and this meant that not only did eight or nine people from my parish come to take part, but that well over half if not two-thirds the congregation are laity from several parishes. This not only dilutes the "priest-osterone" but also puts the event in proper context.Andrew Gernshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10915827125794387657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-38875955206639124652010-03-31T22:02:46.652-04:002010-03-31T22:02:46.652-04:00I do understand that part of your post, Elizabeth....I do understand that part of your post, Elizabeth. While I might have welcomed the charge to renew my vows, I, too, would have been pissed by the blatant sexism of the service. <br /><br />Sorry I only focused on half of the issue.Lisa Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00881671380217888810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-4205834480579628002010-03-31T06:09:46.683-04:002010-03-31T06:09:46.683-04:00I thought that would getcha (wink).
It's not ...I thought that would getcha (wink).<br /><br />It's not the renewal part of the ordination vows that gets me. After a Really Bad day in the Vineyards of the Lord, I often read over my baptismal and ordination vows. Or, if I'm about to confront a difficult situation or go into a difficult meeting. <br /><br />It's the annual ritual of being in a Cathedral full of clergy at a command performance during Holy Week. One person said it very well "Too much 'priest-osterone'". Yup, that does it for me.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-56854181875387758652010-03-31T00:38:12.213-04:002010-03-31T00:38:12.213-04:00Well ... you certainly have a way of getting my at...Well ... you certainly have a way of getting my attention. Not many folks begin with "You're wrong, Lisa." <br /><br />I gather you take my point about our renewal of our baptismal covenants. And I think I understand your saying that's the foundational one. <br /><br />Similarly, I hear what you're saying about your priestly vows. And about the vows of married persons. I get that. <br /><br />I'll end with this: If I had made such a huge decision to become a priest in this church, with others concurring, I think I would welcome an annual opportunity to renew that commitment. <br /><br />But I know that's just me. And I do understand that there are some different issues at play for you.Lisa Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00881671380217888810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-60760938837187998982010-03-30T15:51:11.157-04:002010-03-30T15:51:11.157-04:00You're wrong Lisa. All Christians - lay and or...You're wrong Lisa. All Christians - lay and ordained - renew our baptismal vows 4-5 times a year. Those are WAAAAYYYY more important than ordination vows. Indeed, without our Baptismal vows, our vows of ordination would be pretty meaningless.<br /><br />No one I know renews their marriage vows once a year - not in a big gathering. I suppose an argument could be made that, given the divorce rate, that might not be a bad idea.<br /><br />I don't see clergy leaving the fold. Indeed, I see more folk wanting to be ordained than we have positions to be filled.<br /><br />I think a yearly renewal of ordination vows is not a bad thing. It's not necessary for my salvation.<br /><br />I sometimes need a daily reminder of my baptismal vows - mostly, because I am ordaine.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-65465555592585674512010-03-30T12:48:15.323-04:002010-03-30T12:48:15.323-04:00But, Elizabeth, lay people generally renew our bap...But, Elizabeth, lay people generally renew our baptismal vows several times a year -- at baptisms and (even when no baptisms are done) the Easter Vigil, the day of Pentecost, All Saint’s Day or the Sunday following, and the Feast of the Baptism of our Lord. So why not an annual renewal of clergy vows?Lisa Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00881671380217888810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-88476443816887671332010-03-30T10:43:08.387-04:002010-03-30T10:43:08.387-04:00I love it, too. as much as anything it is done he...I love it, too. as much as anything it is done here in glorious 'high' church fashion - I can't use incense in my little church! It is wonderful to worship in peace for a change. Our bishop is a fine musician and always has something unique for us. And, after 3.5 years in this diocese, I still don't know many of the clergy and I crave collegiality.Fr Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04232925124388686609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-15730099930815127552010-03-30T09:58:00.885-04:002010-03-30T09:58:00.885-04:00Yep. Thassa all I can say...Yep. Thassa all I can say...Margarethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17891258328650113827noreply@blogger.com