tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post1659081705581323272..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: Mendacity, Hypocrisy and DeathElizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-70170688131784076462011-06-11T18:02:33.491-04:002011-06-11T18:02:33.491-04:00Thank you, Douglas. Come back anytime.Thank you, Douglas. Come back anytime.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-5454362058201277082011-06-11T17:46:50.017-04:002011-06-11T17:46:50.017-04:00And you don't have to. I was originally baptiz...And you don't have to. I was originally baptized a Lutheran at the age of 6. Attending a Roman Catholic Parochial School was a mixed bag. So, no, you don't have to apologize. I appreciate your kindness and mercy -- something present in the organized religious bodies I have experienced.<br /><br />As for the pain, we learn from what we suffer. In my case, I've benefitted greatly, now having the absolute proof I need to completely discredit the entire venue of eschatology representing the cultic doctrine from the Great False Prophet of the 20th Century. Believe me, it's worth it just for that.<br /><br />And the thing is, now that I've been through the experience there is at least limited opportunity to assist others. I rely on your site here as an inspiration of what could be... minus the Covenant, of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-76819312811151925202011-06-11T07:44:04.465-04:002011-06-11T07:44:04.465-04:00Douglas - I'm sorry for your experience, truly...Douglas - I'm sorry for your experience, truly I am, but lying and taking your money is not a 'requisite for running a religion'. It is, rather a perversion of what religion purports to do. So, I'll take your sarcasm for what it is - humor to cover up absolutely understandable anger and pain. As someone who is an ordained member of an religious institution and still believes there can be positive effects from organized religion, I apologize for your experience.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-8653180531465195182011-06-11T00:28:26.493-04:002011-06-11T00:28:26.493-04:00Douglas - You are being sarcastic, I presume.
It ...<i>Douglas - You are being sarcastic, I presume.</i><br /><br />It really depends on your point of view. A non abusive, non cult religion, of course.<br /><br />But truly, cults live on mendacity.<br /><br />I should know, since I've spent decades (over half a century) trying to recover from one cult after another (my older brother got me into three of them up front, serially).<br /><br />It never ceases to amaze me, the pretense that they don't know what you are talking about when you catch them in lies. They act as if you either don't understand or, worse, discount you for not having the "qualifications" to express your 'opinion' (backed by science, history and logic).<br /><br />I loathe them all and sometimes wish that the Old Testament "Wrath of God" would be mercifully invoked. Unfortunately, I believe that God is giving these hirelings of the false prophet a life time to prove themselves and whether or not He would want to spend eternity with them. So, for now, we must learn from the things we suffer, and have the faith that God the Father will sort it out.<br /><br />I've gotten sick and tired of being conned in the meantime. I've promised myself that (God willing) I will learn the methodologies to avoid the narcissist, sociopath and psychopaths in religion and avoid them like the plague they are.<br /><br />I wish them well. More precisely, I wish them at the bottom of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-30458983879106970462011-06-10T11:02:35.530-04:002011-06-10T11:02:35.530-04:00Douglas, unfortunately, these three tend to be tra...Douglas, unfortunately, these three tend to be traveling companions.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-21688453358514049852011-06-10T11:01:50.546-04:002011-06-10T11:01:50.546-04:00Mark - As I said to Michael, we are in sore need o...Mark - As I said to Michael, we are in sore need of leaders - ordained and laity - who understand the concept of 'servant leader' - and, put that understanding into action.<br /><br />Alas, that's not what we have in "our Rowan".Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-47490996046822631282011-06-10T09:27:01.156-04:002011-06-10T09:27:01.156-04:00"Mendacity, Hypocrisy and Death": Do I g..."Mendacity, Hypocrisy and Death": Do I get to choose just one, or do I have to take all three as a package?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-84241915335698728842011-06-10T00:20:43.389-04:002011-06-10T00:20:43.389-04:00Mark (above),
I feel, and perhaps Elizabeth does,...Mark (above),<br /><br />I feel, and perhaps Elizabeth does, as well, that this is not a particularly impressive spokesperson for the just treatment of those at the margins, like the disadvantaged, poor and disabled. Certainly, given his own track record, the best that can be hoped for is that Rowan's statement will be written off far and wide as a jaded political maneuver. He risks nothing in the attack, and gains back - quite undeservedly - a decent public image. <br /><br />In the case of a Runcie, there was a man who walked the talk. He, in fact, *did* risk, as Thatcher's vicious backlash showed. He stood on the side of the marginalized and outcast in ecclesial as well as secular affairs. That is why we, on <i>this</i> side of the pond - respect him, and generally find Rowan's statement hypocritical to the point of farcical disgrace.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-83075656243936345782011-06-10T00:13:54.295-04:002011-06-10T00:13:54.295-04:00I've been accused of imputing the worst motiva...I've been accused of imputing the worst motivations to Rowan, to which I respond, "Of course! I believe in giving a man what he's worked for."<br /><br />I think this is all about disestablishment and parliamentary overhaul and keepig it from happening.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-38273946582417345162011-06-09T18:40:51.114-04:002011-06-09T18:40:51.114-04:00Amen to Elizabeth's comment (and thanks to he...Amen to Elizabeth's comment (and thanks to her for publishing mine.<br /><br />I do believe that P.B. Schori gets the servant leadership bit - and for that I am grateful.J. Michael Poveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17835759800684119909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-77530597130826161842011-06-09T17:59:34.311-04:002011-06-09T17:59:34.311-04:00Michael - Of course, what we need is strong servan...Michael - Of course, what we need is strong servant leadership. Alas, it's not a concept widely known among those who wear their collars backwards. We are in the sad state of affairs we're in - across the board - because there is no vision, no energy, no focus, no clarity about what it means to be a servant or a leader. It breaks my heart.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-7013460457839320472011-06-09T17:57:29.034-04:002011-06-09T17:57:29.034-04:00Douglas - You are being sarcastic, I presume.Douglas - You are being sarcastic, I presume.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-67654431645856368972011-06-09T17:34:27.126-04:002011-06-09T17:34:27.126-04:00With love and respect Elizabeth! I do not believe...With love and respect Elizabeth! I do not believe that the Communion "just needs strong leadership", nor can any Archbishop mend it.<br /><br />After all, Jack Iker and Bob Duncan are "strong leaders" as is Peter Akinola.<br /><br />We should instead pray for "servant leaders" such as Desmond Tutu.<br /><br />I believe that the communion cannot be mended. And I thing that's a good thing. In my opinion, we are witnessing the maturing of many of the constituent Churches of the Communion, and maturing that is leading them to reject the idea that "Daddy (a.k.a. The Archbishop of Canterbury) knows best".<br /><br />Hooray for that, (even though I do not care for the opinions of some of the "adult children" of the Communion).<br /><br />I believe that the communion is moving away from its Canterbury fixation, and that I welcome. We are emerging as adult churches who no longer need or desire the paternalism of Canterbury.<br /><br />I have no idea what the end of all of this will be. But it will be good if here and there we allow ourselves to participate in God's Mission.<br /><br />Despite Muthah's comment, that participation will not depend on any notion of democracy. It will rest in the messy business of allowing ourselves to be wafted on the winds of the Spirit, and trusting her to lead us to a communion which is deeper and richer than the Anglican brand.<br /><br />It will be a communion with the Holy and Triune One; with the sick and sad planet; and with G-d's beloved of every nation, ethnicity and religion (or no religion); and especially with the poor and oppressed.<br /><br />Let's stop obsessing about ++ Rowan. Let's stop obsessing about the semi-mythical Anglican Communion .<br /><br />Let's begin to soar in the thermals of the Holy Spirit!J. Michael Poveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17835759800684119909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-73079464434178395062011-06-09T15:06:32.136-04:002011-06-09T15:06:32.136-04:00Yes, and he would be wrong about that, too.Yes, and he would be wrong about that, too.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-10027626488242829712011-06-09T15:05:11.651-04:002011-06-09T15:05:11.651-04:00Every time I think that the Church has taken a ste...Every time I think that the Church has taken a step forward, we have leaders who take 2 steps backward.<br /><br />I can't believe that the ABC doesn't get it. But then again, he doesn't believe that the Church SHOULD be democratic.Muthah+https://www.blogger.com/profile/10589837671378205837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-6532264041751381132011-06-09T14:35:28.427-04:002011-06-09T14:35:28.427-04:00Is this not a requisite for running a religion?
T...Is this not a requisite for running a religion?<br /><br />They lie to you; then they take your money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-68751262067189602802011-06-09T14:34:26.631-04:002011-06-09T14:34:26.631-04:00Dom - You bet. I am sick unto death of this whole ...Dom - You bet. I am sick unto death of this whole shambles. I'm thinking it's just best to admit that the Communion is torn and ask Rowan that, if he can't mend it, to please step aside so someone else can. Because, it's is repairable. It just needs strong leadershipElizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-36975872038179105082011-06-09T14:32:58.455-04:002011-06-09T14:32:58.455-04:00Mark - Of course not. What a silly question to ask...Mark - Of course not. What a silly question to ask me, of all people. What's your point?Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-41916186890843262862011-06-09T12:11:18.442-04:002011-06-09T12:11:18.442-04:00Amen.Amen.Domhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11113039843371712830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-42567709201366531492011-06-09T12:08:40.157-04:002011-06-09T12:08:40.157-04:00So do you support what the government is doing to ...So do you support what the government is doing to the disadvantaged, the poor, the disabled, on this side of the pond?marknoreply@blogger.com