tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post5875766963099373905..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: Translation, pleaseElizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-45489667051059412872009-12-01T04:51:33.418-05:002009-12-01T04:51:33.418-05:00So if men sleeping with men isn't homosexualit...So if men sleeping with men isn't homosexuality but just the way of men, is there just a slight chance that this way of thinking and tolerating might be continuing now despite increased witch hunt?Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-84519230666665072482009-12-01T00:22:04.816-05:002009-12-01T00:22:04.816-05:00I do not consent to "cultural relativism"...I do not consent to "cultural relativism". Just because another culture sees it right to murder gay people, to burn widows, to disfigure young girls' genitalia, in no way justifies or allows it. <br /><br />Elizabeth sees that as standing up for Christianity. I see it it as standing up for a civilized and higher morality. And I will not apologize for applying those rules to any culture backward enough to torture its people, regardless.IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-26989616890479692072009-11-30T22:00:34.027-05:002009-11-30T22:00:34.027-05:00No apologies necessary, Dahveed, my beloved. You n...No apologies necessary, Dahveed, my beloved. You never have to apologize for telling the truth.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-32495478684348602009-11-30T21:59:30.885-05:002009-11-30T21:59:30.885-05:00Mark, the truth of your words hits me right in the...Mark, the truth of your words hits me right in the place where I know what you say to be absolutely true. <br /><br />Thanks.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-15771751409392729322009-11-30T21:41:05.960-05:002009-11-30T21:41:05.960-05:00I apologize Madre. Normally I would never go for t...I apologize Madre. Normally I would never go for the Hitler/Nazi angle, but this time it is relevant and I just felt so utterly appalled. There was no other choice unless I go for Stalin or Pol Pot, or the like.<br /><br />Thanks for letting my ire throughBrother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-25664517060754376292009-11-30T21:29:50.643-05:002009-11-30T21:29:50.643-05:00I signed. I declined to pay in support.
Elizabet...I signed. I declined to pay in support.<br /><br />Elizabeth, you wrote, "Here's my question to Christian leaders - especially in the Anglican Communion - Where is your outrage?"<br /><br />Outrage is way, way too easy, IMO. Query: where are those who are willing to put their own lives at risk for the sake of their sisters and brothers in Uganda?<br /><br />Mack Harrell<br />West Orange, NJMackBeemerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13192778310344466576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-56272913809735567142009-11-30T16:43:23.127-05:002009-11-30T16:43:23.127-05:00Signed. And we made a petition available at church...Signed. And we made a petition available at church on Sunday that we will be sending to our Bishop and 815 to encourage them to speak to this.<br /><br />Thank you for gutting the "cultural" idol.it's margarethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13577280471100732619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-78208314208075819492009-11-30T11:28:43.669-05:002009-11-30T11:28:43.669-05:00Thanks, Kirk. That's exactly what's happen...Thanks, Kirk. That's exactly what's happening in Uganda. Brilliant.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-89829692084277412832009-11-30T11:22:09.338-05:002009-11-30T11:22:09.338-05:00Elizabeth, I agree that it's about power. Pow...Elizabeth, I agree that it's about power. Power <i>matters</i>, and the culture of the power-holder matters.<br /><br />Some cultures are morally superior to others. As tolerant people it makes us uncomfortable to hear that, but it's been true for centuries.<br /><br />In the 1840s, when India was a British colony and General Sir Charles Napier was its President, a group of Hindus complained to him about the prohibition of suttee -- the practice of burning widows alive on their husband's funeral pyre.<br /><br />His reply? "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom. When men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we shall follow ours." <br /><br />To stave off any tedious "Wikipedia is not authoritative" arguments, I tracked down <a href="http://www.eppc.org/publications/pubID.2636/pub_detail.asp" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">a scholarly reference</a>, one of many: http://www.eppc.org/publications/pubID.2636/pub_detail.asp<br /><br />If you Google "<a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGIC_en__267US271&q=Charles+Napier+%22burn+widows%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi=" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Charles Napier 'burn widows'</a>" you'll get 22,000 hits.<br /><br />Yes, the British have to answer for some despicable actions over the centuries.... but they also seeded Western values around the world. Eventually those values may take hold in Uganda.Kirk Petersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07139811130940325695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-55124094633643900172009-11-30T11:11:27.461-05:002009-11-30T11:11:27.461-05:00The 'cultural context' stuff is just an ob...The 'cultural context' stuff is just an obfuscation of the 'real issue' - which is about power. <br /><br />I grow more and more convinced of it the more I think about it.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-32155040790716337442009-11-30T10:39:12.162-05:002009-11-30T10:39:12.162-05:00I understand the cultural context of many who comm...I understand the cultural context of many who commit crimes - but the crime is still a crime. I find those who excuse this law and its supporters mystifying.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287169546184325690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-84222611623575523462009-11-30T10:12:19.544-05:002009-11-30T10:12:19.544-05:00“Some of my brothers, while not exactly defending ...“Some of my brothers, while not exactly defending Bishop Abura's position, have been urging patience and understanding of the 'cultural context' from which the bishop speaks.”<br /><br />No matter how you look at it, this is a form of genocide. There can be neither patience nor understanding when dealing with genocide. When you differentiate and isolate a group of people for the purpose of exterminating that group, you are committing a crime against humanity. They should be held to account just as the Nazis were at Nuremburg. The fact that the Nazis were operating under the aegis of government authority, did not protect them from prosecution. When a death occurs in the commission of a crime, not only is the perpetrator guilty but also the co-conspirators.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05623709712119761741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-45479468376068733062009-11-30T09:27:21.534-05:002009-11-30T09:27:21.534-05:00I normally pull the Hitler punch, but you're r...I normally pull the Hitler punch, but you're right, of course, Dahveed.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-15053344346805284992009-11-30T09:25:24.142-05:002009-11-30T09:25:24.142-05:00Some of my brothers, while not exactly defending B...<i>Some of my brothers, while not exactly defending Bishop Abura's position, have been urging patience and understanding of the 'cultural context' from which the bishop speaks.</i><br /><br />It is another holocaust time people! Folks could be dying here.<br /><br />Was Adolph Hitler killing Jews just another cultural misunderstanding?Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-46986536343115278382009-11-30T09:02:04.731-05:002009-11-30T09:02:04.731-05:00I think it does too, and I appreciate your analysi...I think it does too, and I appreciate your analysis about cultural context as,"...important for understanding but...irrelevant when it comes to how we treat one another as Christians." Just because we understand from whence comes the persecution doesn't mean that we should condone it.Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05412312689694552646noreply@blogger.com