tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post8718529126844058929..comments2024-03-23T18:50:32.902-04:00Comments on Telling Secrets: "Things are going to get squirrely"Elizabeth Kaetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-87932970690065691162008-07-03T23:00:00.000-04:002008-07-03T23:00:00.000-04:00I don't know +KJS, so obviously I could be mistake...I don't know +KJS, so obviously I could be mistaken, but I suspect that as a well-educated woman with an earned doctorate (and for whom English is her native tongue), her use of the word "emission" was deliberate and with full awareness of its different connotations. Whether it was the best choice of words is something that other people can debate. Actually, her statement (with or without that word) doesn't particulary bother me one way or the other. I wouldn't be surprised though if she was deliberately trying to shake people up. I have the same suspicion about her "Jesus our Mother" statement, which didn't really bother me either because there's a long line of men and women of particular holiness who have used that metaphor (including our Lord himself, who in Matthew [I think] compares himself to a mother hen).<BR/><BR/>What I find more troublesome are speeches like her latest Easter address, which makes only a passing reference to Jesus's resurrection and devotes itself instead to a call for environmental stewardship that would have been excellent for Earth Day but was wildly off topic for Easter. Or her Pentecost speech where she refers to the gift of "Holy Spirit," instead of _the_ Holy Spirit, which makes it sound like she's talking more about a commodity than one of persons of the Holy Trinity.<BR/><BR/>I'm not suggesting that she's a bad person, a bad Christian nor even a bad Presiding Bishop. I just wish that my primate's discourses expressed more explicitly a belief in such core doctrines as the incarnation, the resurrection and the Trinity.Paul Powershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04833212693999583069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-74261960496094638262008-07-02T22:44:00.000-04:002008-07-02T22:44:00.000-04:00I dunno, I think "emission" is the perfect word......I dunno, I think "emission" is the perfect word...like as in nocturnal...that whole conference turned out to be one big ol' wet dream!Kirkepiscatoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02651684515435040529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-1339528919211984392008-07-02T17:15:00.000-04:002008-07-02T17:15:00.000-04:00GAFCON claims to be "A Church within the Church"?W...GAFCON claims to be "A Church within the Church"?<BR/><BR/>Well there is nothing new about that.<BR/><BR/>Evangelicals in England with their Church Society, and their patronage trusts (Church Pastoral Aid Society, Simeon Trust etc) functioned as such in the C of E<BR/><BR/>Anglo-Catholics did as much with the old Anglican Congresses and their own Patronage Trusts.<BR/><BR/>I am sure that good friend Andrew McGowan has seem the same in the Australian Church, not the least in his Diocese of Melbourne.<BR/><BR/>In fact much of the English Missionary endeavour in Africa was "Church within a Church" depending whether you were an SPG (Society for the Propagation of the Gospel) Diocese, a UMCA (Universities Mission to Central Africa) Diocese, a CMS (Church Missionary Society)<BR/>Diocese, or God help us, a BCMS (Bible Churchman’s Missionary Society) Diocese.<BR/><BR/>Tanganyika was one of the few places where Anglo-Catholics and Evangelicals o-existed - albeit in Catholic or Evangelical Dioceses. \<BR/><BR/>(Do remember that one of the great Anglo-Catholic Bishops was Frank Weston of Zanzibar, an organiser of the aforementioned Anglican Congresses.)<BR/><BR/>Tanganyika and Zanzibar joined to form Tanzania.<BR/><BR/>(Years ago my home City of Bristol had three Evangelical Seminaries. Dalton House (for women who were training to be "Parish Workers") , Clifton Theological School) (CMS) and Tyndale Hall<BR/>(BCMS)<BR/><BR/>When the English Church decided to "rationalise" the Seminaries the late and great Dr. Oliver Tompkins, Bishop of Bristol (and no evangelical) knocked their heads together and got them to merge (as Trinity College)<BR/><BR/>(In the desolate enough Diocese of Bristol he wanted at least one seminary!<BR/><BR/>So there was "always" been a Church within the Church.<BR/><BR/>What is breathtaking is how the Gafcon statement is so<BR/>"Reformed/Protestant/Calvinist" It takes us back four centuries!<BR/><BR/>Would I be right in thinking that Peter Jensen (In theory the Archbishop of Sydney, in reality the Presiding Elder of the Classis/ Synod of Sidney) has out outmanoeuvred American reactionaries, and that the new "Church within the Church" (Gafcon) is in fact Jensenite?- i.e. Calvinist at its heart.J. Michael Poveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17835759800684119909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-30667920859786222692008-07-02T16:42:00.000-04:002008-07-02T16:42:00.000-04:00+Clumber - I am counting on you to set the pace fo...+Clumber - I am counting on you to set the pace for the rest of the Princes/Princesses of the Church.<BR/><BR/>I have a bag of gourmet doggie cookies waiting for you at Kent.<BR/><BR/>Padre - I am shocked, stunned and honored. Oh, my.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-91922829957090440172008-07-02T16:03:00.000-04:002008-07-02T16:03:00.000-04:00A great post, Elizabeth. A bit off topic, but you ...A great post, Elizabeth. A bit off topic, but you have been given an <A HREF="http://padremickey.blogspot.com/2008/07/divajood-says-i-gotsta-get-gown-now.html" REL="nofollow">award</A> ¡Felicidades!Padre Mickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580459577853346369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-78691221463908908912008-07-02T14:50:00.000-04:002008-07-02T14:50:00.000-04:00As to the obsession of the "orthodox" with emissio...As to the obsession of the "orthodox" with emissions and flatulence, as we say in the N of England, "if the cap fits, wear it".Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-41724434407891363112008-07-02T12:05:00.000-04:002008-07-02T12:05:00.000-04:00Their childish antics and lack of civility convict...Their childish antics and lack of civility convict them without need of trail. While my sainted ancestors would hunt squirrels with guns, I rather think this lot unworthy of the ammunition.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15580854974761649367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29373297.post-73983824089081730412008-07-02T10:57:00.000-04:002008-07-02T10:57:00.000-04:00And, squirrelly or not, this will be the first Lam...And, squirrelly or not, this will be the first Lambeth with the new canine and feline bishops in attendance. You can expect good solid leadership from us to enforce the "afternoon naps" requirement, with perhaps some ball and frisbee playing led by +airdale and +rowan. +maya has promised to withhold her pastoral judgement until the end of the conference (or until we are all kicked out, whichever comes first). <BR/><BR/>While we would fervently hope that we can work with the human bishops at Lambeth, we are not promising that we will not form an animal preserve within the church, where the dogs and cats can feel safe and protected from those nasty human bishops. Don't think of our movement as a schism, but rather a separation of the sheep and sheepdogs. We shall endeavor, whilst there, to be a living illustration of the peaceable kingdom.<BR/><BR/>And, luckily, back in the average parish (including those in my own diocese of Pittsburgh) most people will completely ignore whatever happens there and go on working in small and humble ways to follow the Way of Jesus.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346224469658951999noreply@blogger.com